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cruise
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 Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: flueless plasma gas fire |
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| hi all. i ve just recently gone self employed. im corgi registered and have a bit of experience in servicing fires and boilers. however i ve been asked to service a plasma fire on friday. the thing is i ve never done one before. the customer says they have a manual so i should be ok but im just wondering although obviously all fires are different is there anything i should be aware of. i ve already got 100 cm 2 vent cos they said they did nt have any ventilation.has anyone got a manual with a service in as an example? |
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Razor
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like a diy install, avoid it or cut it off thats my advice.
Seriously you can't service one of these without a fga and however new you are to being self employed you don't need the work that much!
If your not a member of the combustion chamber at DIYNOT its worth joining rgi's only and you can often find the Scruffy one there. |
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thescruff
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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 cruise 
Mine and The Association of Registered Gas Installers view on flueless gas fire would be to advice to client to rip it out.
None of our members will touch then because of the inherent danger associated with flueless fires. I will add BG will not touch them either, as far as I know that is still the case.
Are stance has been recorded by Corgi and the HSE and several changes have been made, but in Our opinion not enough, they should be banned.
Back to the question,m Yes I probably have the manual if you post the make and model.
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ajstone
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Make sure you service it correctly to the book and check the burner pressure. Flueless fire incorrectly fitted/serviced are lethal. |
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Steve the Gas
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Don't touch it  |
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cruise
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: |
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hi all, thanks for your advice. the job got put back to next week. Im dreading it now.  |
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thescruff
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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(1) I assume you have the ACS ticket for Flueless fires.
(2) Nobody's making you do it.
(3) How old is it.
(4) How many hours has it been used, (total)
(5) It's 2+ years if you get it wrong.
Do you still want a manual.
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cruise
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| hi, its 2 year old, had limited use (extra heat on top of rads when cold) and think they have the manual. they do have a carbon monoxide detector.i have pipework, cookers, gas fires and central heating on my corgi card. surely there is nt a special for flueless fires? |
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Razor
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Unless it's changed it comes under fires
You need to check room size, ventilation, inlet pressure when all other appliances are on etc.
Do not even think about it unless you have a fga the burner pressure is not enough to go on. It's your choice whether to service it or not, just ask yourself why noone else will touch them?  |
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thescruff
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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It was tagged on to CCN1 but I had a feeling there's was more to it.
I have a look see what the assessor says
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cruise
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| hi guys. sorry for slow response, working hard. have not got a flue gas analyser yet. because of this do you think i should not touch it? if i did have one would you just put it on co analyser mode with the probe near the fire? |
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thescruff
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't touch if I had 10 gas analysers.
I know I sound like a stuck record, but flueless fires are Lethal
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cruise
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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ive took your advice. told them i wont do it. the reason i gave was that i did nt have an analyser. still going to put a vent in though and they going to get someone else to service it. thanks for all your advice lads. ah the wonderful world of been self employed  |
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thescruff
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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A wise choice in my opinion, although I would have told them straight out.
When positioning the vent, extreme care has to be given to the exact positioning, as any draft can affect the oxygen depletion device, which is what happened to the girl that was killed in Wales.
Read the manufacturers instructions, and follow it to the letter.
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