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Jenny the novice
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 Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Fireplace - how much? |
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Hello
I'm getting rid of a fireplace that was in my flat when we moved in. No idea if it is reproduction or not, I'm hoping someone on here will tell me what it is and how much it is worth before I get any offers! Hearth and grate thing included (although I'm not sure the grate thing fits properly. Will need to be picked up from Streatham London.
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Hoovie
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Hi Jenny - I can tell you how much I paid for an original fireplace very similar to yours, fully renovated and installed with a basic gas fire fitted as a flame effect fire.....£600 about 9 years ago
I would say also that yours looks very much like a genuine (and very nice) Victorian original rather then a repro. Expect to get quite a few hundred quid 
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Jenny,
I'm no expert but I've lived in several period properties with original bedroom fireplaces.Your fireplace is pretty but it looks like a reproduction to me. It's trying to be an Adam style fireplace at the top and yet the front of the firegrate has an almost Art Nouveau motif to it. If you look at original fireplaces they tend to have higher fire baskets at the front of the grate and they're usually slightly bigger. That doesn't look like it'd hold a big enough fire to be much good for heating a room. As I said, i'm no expert though!
Have you researched the prices on Ebay? If you're in London, I'd have thought it'd go for good money, as most things seem to do down South!
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Jenny the novice
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Hoovie
A few hundred!  That would be nice!
Would love it to go to someone on here if anyone wants to offer, if not might try putting it on ebay but never used ebay before so a bit scary. |
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Jenny the novice
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Thanks Louise
I'm inclined to agree with you as there was nothing else in this flat of value and the fireplace was definitely not the original.
When I post on ebay do I have to say it is reproduction? Will go and have a look now at prices. |
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Bludall
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Jenny,
Have a look at these original fireplaces to compare your fireplace. The prices are interesting too. My oh doesn't think the opening is tall enough for it to be an original, he keeps on about chimney sweeps being able to get enough room to put a brush up.
The link
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Another link
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Research it thoroughly, don't jump into selling until you're sure of the age though.
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Jenny the novice
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Hi Louise
Thanks so much for your advice, I'm doing my research now. 
Will let you know how I get on. |
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All my measurements are slightly smaller...  |
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Bludall
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It does! It could be Edwardian then. The front is just different, I wonder whether that is original. Does it actually fit properly as there seems to be a gap on the left side?
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| All my measurements are slightly smaller... |
That's annoying!
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Hoovie
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Hi Jenny,
The reason I thought it was not a repro is that is has some very similar features to this one
This is the one that we got from a reclaimation yard and had dipped and sorted out.
Now the firebasket bit here is part of the gas fire - from what I understand, and what we found when we were going through 10's and 10's of reclaimed fireplaces to chose one that was intact as possible, the firebaskets are very often broken when they are removed from the original houses - maybe because the heat has weakened them and the people ripping them out did not take care either?
I woudl not be surprised that this is a unique feature in a room - given these fireplaces almost always ended up being painted some time in their life, I would guess yours has been renovated (assuming it is an original) and bought to be fitted there - just like in my situation.
So I guess the wrong basket has been added into the fireplace and has spolit it a bit for those people in the know (I would not know that myself)
As far as repro's go, for another room in the house, we did buy a repro and the difference was clear between the two - the fineness of the detail was missing in the repro - either because the original they cast the copies from was not cleaned up properly, or the skill in the mold-makers was not as good? I recall asking the yard about this and they said the repros always had poorer definition.
So I based my opinion on my genuine fireplace, a repro fireplace and a conversation from a guy who runs a achitectural salvage yard - maybe I put 1+1+1 together and made 5? dunno
If you put it on eBay and are not sure if it is genuine, don't say it is a repro, just say you don't know and take a few pictures from different angles so people can decide for themselves.
If you do find out one way or the other for sure, then best to say
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Hoovie
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Jenny, just looked at that link - you should be a detective - obviously the same casting - I think this nails it as an original.
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Jenny the novice
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| Some more research needed but off to bed now, got distracted by doing at atvar - it must be late! |
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Hi Jenny
I believe it not to be original as it doesn't have enough detail and secondly an original hearth would have been tiles your's is of slate with the fire surround sitting on top, so it must have been fitted at a later date, also the grate just doesn't seem right
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