DIY Forum

 

Ultimate Handyman Ultimate Handyman Ultimate Handyman Ultimate HandymanUltimate Handyman on Pinterest

 

DIY Forum/Home improvement advice forum

 

 

A-Z CONTENTS | DISCLAIMER | DIY VIDEO | HOME | SAFETY FIRST | FORUM RULES

It is currently Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:01 am
Visit Thermo worx


Time zone: Europe/London [ DST ]




 

 


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 24 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 3:35 pm 
Offline
Newly registered Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 04, 2012 3:03 pm
Posts: 38
Location: london
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 0 times
I recently went to festool uk headquarters and was trained on how to use the New Festool TS55R Circular Saw,
I have to say it is a magnificent machine... despite its similarity to the standard TS55. for those of you who have not used a TS55 a strongly recommend these over a "normal" circular saw.
There are many reasons why i beleive it to be the best saw on the market... here are a few below:
*Revolutionizes the stereotipical use of a circular saw from a violent machine with sparks flying everywhere and a poor finish to a simple user friendly machine capable of use with guide rails and multifunction tables.
*If used with an extractor "clean up time" is literally eliminated.
*manufacturer guarantee (3 years + if machine is stolen replaced for £100 pounds)
*Quality of finish is the best i've seen (and i've been around the block with saws)
*The TS55R has flat blade housing so you can cut right up next to the wall.
*TS55R has a removable panel for easy view of scribe marks.
*Extremely easy adjustment of cutting depth.
The list goes on and on... a truly remarkable piece of equiptment, brought a TS55R recently to add to my collection... it never leaves my sight.
I thought i'd attach a video to this post also to make my post a bit more interesting... enjoy!


Share on FacebookShare on TwitterShare on DiggShare on DeliciousShare on Google+
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 4:16 pm 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:08 am
Posts: 3372
Location: Brighton & Hove
Has thanked: 319 times
Been thanked: 573 times
hmmmmm a few improvements over the ts55 by the looks of it like the 47degree cutting and the blade depth gauge looks slightly better and easier to read./ So should i rush out and get the new one or not bother? Strange as today I was thinking about getting a ts75 for larger cutting jobs but would still use my ts55 as the workhorse because it's so much lighter.

_________________
Interior Refurbishment Specialists | Brighton & Hove


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 4:23 pm 
Offline
Newly registered Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 04, 2012 3:03 pm
Posts: 38
Location: london
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 0 times
i would definately say its worth getting, but in your situation i guess you will have to decide between the TS55 or TS75 unless you have the money for both! for me i can do all of my jobs with the TS55 and and i was going to get the 75 originally but it IS a heavier machine. so i got my TS55R! :thumbleft:


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 6:14 pm 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:26 pm
Posts: 2594
Location: barnsley
Has thanked: 36 times
Been thanked: 260 times
it does look better than the ts55, improved dust extraction :-) i will probs upgrade oneday but for now my '55 does me fine i need cms bench next……...


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:11 am 
Offline
Newly registered Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 04, 2012 3:03 pm
Posts: 38
Location: london
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 0 times
I have a CMS its awesome!
i dont know how i managed without it! :huray:


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:30 am 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:51 pm
Posts: 7028
Has thanked: 345 times
Been thanked: 1223 times
Cutting depth @ 45° is a bit low at 43mm.

I might have bought one by now if I were 30 years younger. I certainly can't justify it now and I'll just have to manage without one. :wink:

_________________
One day it will all be firewood.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:21 pm 
Offline
Newly registered Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 04, 2012 3:03 pm
Posts: 38
Location: london
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 0 times
your missing out... :-)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:36 pm 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:51 pm
Posts: 7028
Has thanked: 345 times
Been thanked: 1223 times
toolbritannia wrote:
your missing out... :-)


A) Not for much longer, retirement beckons. :B
B) Used a mates (with guide rail) - didn't rate it that much compared to mine used with a clamped straight edge.
C) It still only cuts 43mm @ 45° - not enough for me - got to be 45mm- 50mm @ 45°.

_________________
One day it will all be firewood.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:58 pm 
Offline
Newly registered Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 04, 2012 3:03 pm
Posts: 38
Location: london
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 0 times
... fair enough,
still the best saw around! :thumbleft:


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 7:42 pm 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:27 pm
Posts: 5057
Location: Lancashire
Has thanked: 569 times
Been thanked: 1187 times
toolbritannia wrote:
... fair enough,
still the best saw around! :thumbleft:

Really? I sort of wonder how well it stacks up against the Mafell MT55cc or the Bosch GKT55 CE in the real world? I'll also echo the comments about depth of cut - there have been quite a few times when I could have done with a few millimetres more. e.g. cutting down 1 hour fire doors (54mm thick - the rail robs you of 5mm at 90° so you don't quite ghave enough depth of cut). A TS75 (75mm depth of cut, 70mm on the rail - but odd size blade at 210mm) is just a tad too big for a lot of jobs (or in other words I don't see why I should have to carry around a second saw......). BTW. I'm a Festool user of quite a few years standing, but I'm by no means blinded by "black and green fever"

_________________
"The person who never made a mistake, never made anything"
Albert Einstein


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:03 pm 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:26 pm
Posts: 2594
Location: barnsley
Has thanked: 36 times
Been thanked: 260 times
festool did a ts65 years ago

festool invented the tracksaw in 1964 (just googled)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 5:23 pm 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:27 pm
Posts: 5057
Location: Lancashire
Has thanked: 569 times
Been thanked: 1187 times
speed wrote:
festool did a ts65 years ago

Maybe so, but they only do 160mm (55mm DoC) and 210mm (75mm DoC) saws these days. The TS55 is a very good saw for many things, including most interior doors - it just doesn't do 1 hour fire doors in a single pass.

_________________
"The person who never made a mistake, never made anything"
Albert Einstein


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:16 am 
Offline
Newly registered Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 04, 2012 3:03 pm
Posts: 38
Location: london
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 0 times
Job and Knock wrote:
toolbritannia wrote:
... fair enough,
still the best saw around! :thumbleft:

Really? I sort of wonder how well it stacks up against the Mafell MT55cc or the Bosch GKT55 CE in the real world? I'll also echo the comments about depth of cut - there have been quite a few times when I could have done with a few millimetres more. e.g. cutting down 1 hour fire doors (54mm thick - the rail robs you of 5mm at 90° so you don't quite ghave enough depth of cut). A TS75 (75mm depth of cut, 70mm on the rail - but odd size blade at 210mm) is just a tad too big for a lot of jobs (or in other words I don't see why I should have to carry around a second saw......). BTW. I'm a Festool user of quite a few years standing, but I'm by no means blinded by "black and green fever"



well, i actually work for a power tool company, (i dont have the credentials to post who yet :sad: ) but we sell the bosch GKT55 in our showroom and so far i dont believe we have sold one of them or even had any interest in it and the mafell we would order for people who want it but again they are not asked for, i think when talking about a saw that is well into the £300-£400 mark there is only one choice.
also having used both of these two saws TS55 holds it for me.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:59 pm 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:27 pm
Posts: 5057
Location: Lancashire
Has thanked: 569 times
Been thanked: 1187 times
toolbritannia wrote:
Well, i actually work for a power tool company....

So, not a "proper" tool user, then???

toolbritannia wrote:
we sell the bosch GKT55 in our showroom and so far i dont believe we have sold one of them or even had any interest in it and the mafell we would order for people who want it but again they are not asked for

For starters the Bosch has only been around a few months, so even Bosch aren't yet at the stage of pushing it that hard. Wait until the autumn shows and they might try a little bit harder. Similarly Mafell is a very much more specialised company and to be frank I don't think that NMA (the UK distributors) have sufficient clout to push it that hard - not to mention the fact that Mafell by their very nature are never going to be a volume seller (although they do make some superb quality stuff, including the largest Hilti saw, the WSC85). Set that against Festool, a company who've been active in the UK for 30 or more years and who've been pushing plunge saw/rail technology hard for at least 20 years in the UK (through print advertising, etc) and it's easy to see that with a 20 year head start and that amount of advertising capital you are going to be the number one player. What is starting to change, though, is the market make-up. Many more tradesmen are now buying into the concept and Makitas (and to a lesser extent deWalts), in particular, are becoming a lot more common on jobsites. They're not as nice as a Festool, but then they are £100 less and come from a firm with a proven track record in construction equipmant - something that the sniffy, elitist Festool doesn't have (nor ever will have if truth be known). Or don't you think that's important?

As I stated earlier, I own several Festool tools, but in the UK, in the current economic climate, most of their product line-up is grossly overpriced, especially because of their rigid control of dealer discounts (i.e. dealers can't offer any and still be dealers.... Surely that's illegal?) whilst their spares and repair service leaves a helluva lot to be desired (from experience). The extra £100 of a TS55 over an SP6000K1 or DWS520 is the sort of thing most tradesmen will look at in hard financial terms. At times makes me wonder what percentage of these saws end up in the hands of working woodworkers as opposed to well healed weekend warriors

toolbritannia wrote:
i think when talking about a saw that is well into the £300-£400 mark there is only one choice.

So which is it, Makita or deWalt?

_________________
"The person who never made a mistake, never made anything"
Albert Einstein


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:28 am 
Offline
Newly registered Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 04, 2012 3:03 pm
Posts: 38
Location: london
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 0 times
Job and Knock wrote:
toolbritannia wrote:
Well, i actually work for a power tool company....

So, not a "proper" tool user, then???

toolbritannia wrote:
we sell the bosch GKT55 in our showroom and so far i dont believe we have sold one of them or even had any interest in it and the mafell we would order for people who want it but again they are not asked for

For starters the Bosch has only been around a few months, so even Bosch aren't yet at the stage of pushing it that hard. Wait until the autumn shows and they might try a little bit harder. Similarly Mafell is a very much more specialised company and to be frank I don't think that NMA (the UK distributors) have sufficient clout to push it that hard - not to mention the fact that Mafell by their very nature are never going to be a volume seller (although they do make some superb quality stuff, including the largest Hilti saw, the WSC85). Set that against Festool, a company who've been active in the UK for 30 or more years and who've been pushing plunge saw/rail technology hard for at least 20 years in the UK (through print advertising, etc) and it's easy to see that with a 20 year head start and that amount of advertising capital you are going to be the number one player. What is starting to change, though, is the market make-up. Many more tradesmen are now buying into the concept and Makitas (and to a lesser extent deWalts), in particular, are becoming a lot more common on jobsites. They're not as nice as a Festool, but then they are £100 less and come from a firm with a proven track record in construction equipmant - something that the sniffy, elitist Festool doesn't have (nor ever will have if truth be known). Or don't you think that's important?

As I stated earlier, I own several Festool tools, but in the UK, in the current economic climate, most of their product line-up is grossly overpriced, especially because of their rigid control of dealer discounts (i.e. dealers can't offer any and still be dealers.... Surely that's illegal?) whilst their spares and repair service leaves a helluva lot to be desired (from experience). The extra £100 of a TS55 over an SP6000K1 or DWS520 is the sort of thing most tradesmen will look at in hard financial terms. At times makes me wonder what percentage of these saws end up in the hands of working woodworkers as opposed to well healed weekend warriors

toolbritannia wrote:
i think when talking about a saw that is well into the £300-£400 mark there is only one choice.

So which is it, Makita or deWalt?



Firstly, i am a 'proper' tool user but not a tradesman (obviously) remember i work in a toolshop environment so i get to play with all the gadgets.

and Makita or Dewalt??????? :scratch:
i wouldnt go near either with a ten foot barge pole! lol, but thats only because of my experience, the festool delivers a better finish consistently than both the makita and dewalt and festools prices are steep but you have to look at how easy it is to use as a whole can you imagine dragging around a sp6000 in its systainer in one hand the makita 440 vacuum in another then trying to hold the makita guide rail? it just doesn't work!
you look at festool and you connect your systainer to the ctlextractor and roll it to where you need whilst free to hold whatever you want, they are just better at everything!
in my opinion there are countless reasons why Festool is the best.
and you say that the bosch hasn't been out for long and that they haven't pushed it, well even when they do (through advertising) bosch will still be bosch, bosch are the worst for reliability, we have many coming in for repair and there are alot of people out there who are aware of this.
you also say that festool repair service leaves alot to be desired, firstly, that depends on the company that you used to communicate with them (if any) and bear in mind that if a tool is sent back to festool to be repaired which in most cases they are, they only have 3 technicians working to repair machines and they repair everything that comes in from the uk, also if the machine is under guarantee and you deal with them direct all you have to do is ask and they will send you a loan machine to get you out of trouble for the next day! (which is something that you will never ever see makita, dewalt or mafell doing!)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 24 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next


Similar topics
   

Time zone: Europe/London [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Visit Hilti


 

 

 

News News Site map Site map SitemapIndex SitemapIndex RSS Feed RSS Feed Channel list Channel list
ultimatehandyman privacy policy

Contact

 

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group

phpBB SEO