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 Post subject: Farrow and Ball
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and the dog's D'Anglies. F&B snort snort has made it in the Torygraph.

That's it. My reputation if I ever had one is gone. Reading the Torygraph and as it was not enough, the women's column. Funny thing is, the article says what everyone else says here. :scratch: :scratch:


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Only used f&b once and I thought it was awful, quite chalky and a pain to apply

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"A five-litre pot of F&B estate emulsion costs a princely £74.50; five litres of the Dulux equivalent is £26"

I'd like to know where he's getting this Dulux equivalent from at that price.

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fitzy wrote:
"A five-litre pot of F&B estate emulsion costs a princely £74.50; five litres of the Dulux equivalent is £26"

I'd like to know where he's getting this Dulux equivalent from at that price.

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Careful. It is a well researched article that.

B&M stores banner pops up and saiz 12poonds on Dulux standard coloured emulsion 2.5L All colours (subject to availability).
http://www.bmstores.co.uk/products/diy/ ... t?filter=1

EDIT: Homebase 27 poonds for 5lt example: https://www.homebase.co.uk/dulux-daffod ... 5l_p180815


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£26 would be a retail paint mixed to colour not a trade paint shirley ???

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£26 would be a retail paint mixed to colour not a trade paint shirley ???
Shurely don't call me Shirley. What do you think the article compares? :-) [There is a link to the Torygraph article in my first comment] :-)


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£26 would be a retail paint mixed to colour not a trade paint shirley ???
Shurely don't call me Shirley. What do you think the article compares? :-) [There is a link to the Torygraph article in my first comment] :-)


Yes I read it. Womens lifestyle or summat. As an aside Farrow and Ball were founded in Verwood which is where I live.

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£26 would be a retail paint mixed to colour not a trade paint shirley ???
Exactly. For them to compare that with farrow and ball is a bit unfair.

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£26 would be a retail paint mixed to colour not a trade paint shirley ???
Exactly. For them to compare that with farrow and ball is a bit unfair.



Yep but only because dulux retail needs less coats than F & B ... :lol:

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£26 would be a retail paint mixed to colour not a trade paint shirley ???
Exactly. For them to compare that with farrow and ball is a bit unfair.



Yep but only because dulux retail needs less coats than F & B ...
And doesn't need it's own Basecoat. [WHITE SMILING FACE]



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But but but the compared F&B and Dulux are both retail paints so the comparison is quite straight :-)

BTW. I knew that Fitzy was referring to Dulux trade but it is interesting (to me) to see what sh1t can be bought some times.


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But but but the compared F&B and Dulux are both retail paints so the comparison is quite straight :-)

BTW. I knew that Fitzy was referring to Dulux trade but it is interesting (to me) to see what sh1t can be bought some times.
Farrow and Ball really is a strange one isn't it?

I'm not sure which side of the fence it falls on. Trade or retail? Maybe both?

It's definitely a designer paint, but it's sold mostly in retail but also in trade outlets.

I don't mind using it if the customer supplies it. Can't say same for any retail versions of the trade brands.

I think once Benjamin Moore is more widely known in the UK, farrow and ball sales may take a bashing, as I'm hearing it's far better paint but in the same price bracket.







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It's certainly a 'designer' paint aimed at the middle classes from my experience. There are better so called designer paints out there. Sanderson and Zoffany do some really good emulsion, especially Sanderson.


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fitzy wrote:
I'm not sure which side of the fence it falls on. Trade or retail? Maybe both?
In real life it should not matter, we make a "good" paint and sell it to anyone who wants it. I would personally class F&B as retail but designers like it so it gets specified to be used by professionals (the trade), and perhaps those who have gone to the designer will not do it DIY anyway. Trade outlets may stock it because the local decorators want it because their customers want it because the designer said so or F&B has the best colour shade :dunno:

Talking about trade paint I find it to have two opposite meanings.
a. trade being traditional paint, with perhaps more opacity, better quality/durability, harder to apply (e.g. Oil based Gloss vs Non-drip gloss) but if used right will give a better result.

b. cheap cr@p that sticks the word trade on it and sell for £10 for 10lt. Trade matt is an example, why call it "trade" matt when it is just a non-vinyl emulsion paint which if used on walls etc. will be simply shite. Therefore the "trade" uses shite paint. Then you wonder why customers buy dulux at £24 (not even £26) per 5litre and they do not believe that your "trade" paint costs more than that. And they all know you get 100% discount for the materials ... blah blah blah.

PS. My acquaintance who bought F&B for painting the walls of a small room said to me today, it took 4 coats. No comment from me :notworthy: I offered free advice on how to manage the low and large ceiling of their living room.


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fitzy wrote:
I think once Benjamin Moore is more widely known in the UK, farrow and ball sales may take a bashing, as I'm hearing it's far better paint but in the same price bracket.


Those US pack sizes are going to cause a few headaches though I reckon.

I'm not a huge fan of F&B, as for the price you can get much better paint for your money. The basecoat?? Please. Why just not say "Our Estate Emulsion has such sh1te opacity you'll need this expensive 3rd coat." And the public swallow this marketing rubbish?

F&B are the perfect embodiment of The Emperors New Clothes. Expensive, well marketed kidology.

But the aspirational Volvo/bungalow brigade seem to love it :scratch:

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