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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: False Ceiling Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Question: I need to put up a false ceiling in my kitchen. Previously there was T&G cladding up which was varnished. Embarassed I was going to replace with similar and paint with someform of stain wash but I've heard some negative comments about it so now I'm thinking of alternatives.

The reason for the false ceiling is there used to be polystyrene tiles which are a pain to get off cleanly and the general state of the ceiling is not great.

Anyone with suggestions for a false ceiling ? - the kitchen is quite modern, maple shaker units, blue worksurface and stainless steel appliances.

Thanks in advance :grin:
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

http://www.heskethsplastics.com/
have done a few of these in the past.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thanks for the link, might be useful. Shame they don't go into more detail ie prices, more details, gallery etc. Token gesture of a web site! :evil:
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

could you not just batten it out, plasterboard it, then give it a skim... Nice smooth finish.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There is no need to batten it out, you can just overboard it with plasterboard and then skim it / get it skimmed or artex it Confused:
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:00 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ultimatehandyman wrote:
There is no need to batten it out, you can just overboard it with plasterboard and then skim it / get it skimmed or artex it Confused:


I would go with this solution from UHM, although artex is not a good idea, will cause too many problems in the future if you want to change the decor,

Plain finish with nice down lighters is the trend at the moment. Good luck
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:57 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thanks for the comments guys. Not sure I want to put PB up as I'd need to take off more of the polystyrene tiles to get the battoning on to fix the pb to. I don't fancy skimming considering the lower half of the kitchen is complete (yes, did it the wrong way round - still learning)

The heskethplastics looks interesting tho'.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I wanted a suspended ceiling to hide surface mounted cable runs etc and pipe work, used CCF in Trafford PArk, cost about £170 for a 14' square room. Took about 4 hours never having done it before.
http://maps.yell.com/clients/browse.cgi?client=yell_mandd&nat_id=1216300&businessType=CEILINGS+-+SUSPENDED&location=MANCHESTER&pc=M17+1EB&sl=&storePC=M17+1EB&companyName=CCF+Ltd&replayURL=%2Fucs%2FUcsSearchAction.do%3Fooa%3Don%26searchType%3Dadvance%26keywords%3Dsuspended%2Bceiling%26M%3D0%26location%3Dmanchester%26slscrambleSeed%3D89353716%26scrambleSeed%3D10641663%26ooascrambleSeed%3D50024878%26scrambleSeed%3D10641663%26ooascrambleSeed%3D50024878%26slscrambleSeed%3D89353716%26slscrambleSeed%3D89353716

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

thats a small link jason! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hinton Heating wrote:
thats a small link jason! Laughing


Too true, my cursor had a bloody heart attack when I put it on the link!!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:45 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thx Jason - link is useful and Trafford Park isn't far from where I am. Have you any photo's of the finished article ? Would be interested to see what its like in situ
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:04 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

After much thought and reading I am now thinking about plasterboarding my ceiling Shocked. I currently have 1"x1.5" battons that have been nailed to the ceiling which held the previous T&G cladding
Is the battoning the required size to hold the PB and should I add screws to the bottons to secure it more to the ceiling.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What an awful mess !

I'd be tempted to rip the batens and the tiles down and overbaord the ceiling. You can't fasten plasterboard to those as there is no support for some of the joints.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yep, it is a mess. Its been like that for about 3yrs since I took down the original cladding down Embarassed . (I don't do things quickly Laughing ) As for the tiles, they're a pain to take off which is probably why there was a false ceiling before.

I intended to leave the tiles as they are and put up a new ceiling - more than likely pb now. Just wanted to know if the battons could be re-used (positioned better) or is there a recommended size for battons to hold pb on the ceiling. The battons used to hold the previous wood T&G cladding so they are secure (even tho' they are nailed into the ceiling joists). I was going to sink in some screws to make it more secure. Can I get away with the 1"x1.5" battons or should I replace with something more substantial ?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:59 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think using those existing battens is a bad idea as they will not be spaced correctly, you will also need to add batens in the oposite direction, placed at the correct intervals for the board that you are using, see picture.


I think your best bet is to rip down the batens and then get some bonding plaster and float between the polysterene tiles to level the ceiling and then overboard it once the plaster has hardened, ensuring that you screw into the joists.



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