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Hoovie
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 Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:26 am Post subject: Energy Saving Measures ... |
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Anyone see the reports in the paper from RICS about the various energy saving measures homeowners can take and what their payback period is? Looks like a load of b*llocks in general, have to say!
This is what they reckon:
Measure, Cost, Saving per Year , Payback
Solar Water, £5,000, £24 , 208 Years
Loft Insualation, £755, £60 , 13 Years
Cylinder & Hot Pipe Lagging, £761, £20 , 38 Years
Double Glazing, £9,327, £75 , 124 Years
Condens'g Boiler, £2,000 , £52 , 38 Years
Cavity Wall Ins, £728 , £145 , 5 Years
Underfloor Ins, £2,736, £45 , 54 Years
Heat Cont/TRVs £2,240 , £65 , 34 Years
Now the cost of £2,240 for installing a boiler thermostat and a bunch of TRVs sounds rather on heavy side?
And I got a high-spec Solar Water system installed for £3,300 including brand new cylinder rather then the £5k they think, and in the first MONTH it was in, I KNOW I saved about £30 in water heating costs - and they claim just £24 A YEAR!
On the other hand, the Cavity Wall insulation seems to have a very quick payback period of just 5 years - is this really that cost-effective (and is it worth risking the possible damp problems that some people seem to get afterwards?)
What are the best energy saving measures worth taking? I have lagged all the hot pipes that I can get to without lifting boards and insulated most of my loft (final part to be done later this month).
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jason123
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Some energy suppliers will do cavity wall insulation for less than £200
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Some energy suppliers will do cavity wall insulation for less than £200 |
We got ours done for £150!.........the full price was £300, but the Government/Local Authority paid half!...That was about 6 years ago!
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tim'll fix it
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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the moral of the story is that all this green b*llocks is just for people who are tight and that it isnt actually saving them money in the long term
me I dont give a sh*t about energy efficiency one bit
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Hoovie
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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it is the balance isn't it? Between saving money with efficiency, and making your own environment better.
My main reason for Double Glazing in my last house was noise insulation and comfort, not heat conservation. Loft insulation is a bit of a no brainer, and I went for Solar in my current house as my existing system was so poor and inefficient, it needed a revamp and the extra cost for Solar meant I knew it WOULD pay for itself in around 10-15 years tops (not 200+ years!)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| tim'll fix it wrote: |
the moral of the story is that all this green b*llocks is just for people who are tight and that it isnt actually saving them money in the long term
me I dont give a sh*t about energy efficiency one bit |
£120 for insulation in loft, should save £40 a year, so 3 years to pay off.
1.5 TD engine in our scenic, 45mpg cruising at 85-95mph. General savings of £30 per week on fuel compared to the ford KA we had, and more space.
How much money are you prepared to p*ss up the wall before you would do something about it?
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skiking
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Cavity wall insulation is free if you are on benefit......We had it done for free as they accepted child benefit within the criteria  . So if you've got kids or a pension or any other variant of benefit then it should be free.
These guys wanted to do our loft insulation as well but I couldn't be ar*ed emptying the loft first  |
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Hoovie
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| skiking wrote: |
Cavity wall insulation is free if you are on benefit......We had it done for free as they accepted child benefit within the criteria . So if you've got kids or a pension or any other variant of benefit then it should be free.
These guys wanted to do our loft insulation as well but I couldn't be ar*ed emptying the loft first |
Is this still the case re Child Benefit? not got kids myself, but I will pass that info on to my siblings 
Was the loft insulation free as well (IF you have had it done!) ?
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skiking
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| It would have been, but like I say I was to lazy to empty it first |
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Hoovie
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| It would have been, but like I say I was to lazy to empty it first |
Off-Topic, but WHY do people (me included  ) fill up the loft with stuff they don't want anymore??
Moved into my last house and it took 2 days to empty the loft of the last owners stuff! 
Bought my mums house off her and it took a week and a large skip to take care of that loft. 
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BobProperty
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: |
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£120 for insulation in loft, should save £40 a year, so 3 years to pay off.
1.5 TD engine in our scenic, 45mpg cruising at 85-95mph. General savings of £30 per week on fuel compared to the ford KA we had, and more space.
How much money are you prepared to p*ss up the wall before you would do something about it? |
I agree with doing things to save money like the above. But I don't agree with having to pay some "semi-literate ex-shop-assistant who's been on a training course" £150 to cut and paste the OP into a document to sell my house.
Can someone explain to me why paying more tax is "green"?
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tim'll fix it
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| tim'll fix it wrote: |
the moral of the story is that all this green b*llocks is just for people who are tight and that it isnt actually saving them money in the long term
me I dont give a sh*t about energy efficiency one bit |
£120 for insulation in loft, should save £40 a year, so 3 years to pay off.
1.5 TD engine in our scenic, 45mpg cruising at 85-95mph. General savings of £30 per week on fuel compared to the ford KA we had, and more space.
How much money are you prepared to p*ss up the wall before you would do something about it? |
wheres your proof of your £40 a year figure
and diesels are comparativitly more expensive than a petrol car and diesel is dearer than petrol, you have to be doing about £30k miles a year for a deisel to be economical
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handyman
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well, its meant to be £60 a year on a normal 3 bed, but our house is a small 3 bed. I presume your just being pedantic with this one, as its obvious that it will save on heating if you have insulation in the roof  Please giive me proof that it doesnt save money then?
Diesel is 3% dearer here, but KA got 26mpg, and scenic averages 52mpg (45mpg on motorway) which is a bit more than 3%, so on that, its a no brainer...............and thats on every mile, not only when you hit 30,000 miles
As for the cost...........the wife bought it, so who cares 
Seriously, the car cost about £500 more than petrol when we got it (one year old), and will probably sell by the same amount over a petrol (at 4 years old) Just look in autotrader and choose, scenic, 1.4-1.6, in both fuel types and they are almost comparable in price
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Hoovie
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Looking on Powergen website to see if they offer any discounts for cavity wall insualtion and they quote these figures ...
Increasing your loft insulation from 25mm to 270mm could save you up to £90** a year.
** The cost savings shown are approximate, are provided for illustrative purposes only and are based on a gas heated semi-detached house with three bedrooms. Savings assume a gas price of 2.57p/kWh with a gas consumption, of 31,700 units per annum (prior to installing the insulation measures). Individual savings may vary depending on type, age, main heating fuel of your home or if you choose to take increased warmth following installation of the measures.
so Hanks £40 a year would probably be a bit conservative.
They also reckon the following on cavity insulation:
Filling cavity walls could save a typical home as much as £235** a year and charge £230 to install, so payback could be just a year
Anyone got Cavity Wall insulation and found it made a big difference? I am thinking I should be looking at this seriously 
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Hoovie
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| skiking wrote: |
| Cavity wall insulation is free if you are on benefit......We had it done for free as they accepted child benefit within the criteria . So if you've got kids or a pension or any other variant of benefit then it should be free. |
Been looking further at this and it looks the Child Tax Credit now has to be accompanied by a househld income of under £14k as well
Current Info says:
Free cavity wall and/or loft insulation is available to homeowners and private tenants in receipt of one of the following qualifying benefits or tax credits. Any member of the household can be in receipt of the benefit.
Income support.
Housing benefit.
Council tax benefit (not including single occupancy reduction).
Income-based jobseeker’s allowance.
Attendance allowance.
Disability living allowance.
War disablement pension (which must include mobility supplement or constant attendance allowance).
Disablement pension credit (which must include constant attendance allowance).
Child tax credit (with a household income of less than £14,600).
Working tax credit (with a household income of less than £14,600).
State pension credit.
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