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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:29 pm 
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Energer ENB455CSW 185mm Circular Saw, £40 @ Screwfix

TLDR version: zero star product, unfit for rough cutting, not worth buying at any price :sad:

First impressions aren't too bad: the body feels very solid, the plastic is hard but the parts fit together quite well. There is no riving knife, but the spring loaded blade guard works and appears to be safe. Starting it up it's quite loud, but not unbearable. However, once you start cutting the limitations quickly become apparent.

The flex cable: predictable low quality and resists flexing freely, but it's to be expected at this price and might be forgiveable if it wasn't so damn short. Pulled taught it's not even 2m long! A real pain in arse as soon as you need to cut a 2400 × 1200 mm or 8' × 4' panel. Extension flex and some apparatus to prevent snagging is essential.

Cutting some 18 mm OSB panels: my first use of the saw I only needed a rough cut, so did it freehand without using any sort of guide edge. For the first meter or so the cut was relatively clean and the only issue I noted was following the pencil line free hand as the saw felt a little unwieldy. However, further along I found the saw more difficult to control, vibrating more and somewhat bucking and twisting. The final cut was just about straight enough but not very plumb, with maybe around 10° of unintended bevel in the worst areas. Initially I just though the guide base was a bit too flimsy and soft in the afternoon sun, coupled with inaccurate markings for the depth and bevel. I thought I could compensate for these issues and gave it another go on a cooler day and indoors...

Cutting some 5.5 mm hardwood ply: I set my sheet of material down so that it was securely clamped underneath some heavy sheets of OSB to stop it moving and vibrating, the straight edge of the OSB doubling as a guide edge. Not needing it to be perfect I checked the bevel by eyeballing the blade against the base, looking back at the markings on the saw it was slightly off zero. The blade and guard looked to be slightly off parallel with the base, but I figured it would be adequate to cut, albeit with a rough finish. When attempting the cut it was immediately impossible to keep the saw against the guide edge that I'd set up, the saw just wanted to constantly twist clockwise away from the guide edge. The wood started smoking a lot. Overall the least straight, most ragged cut I've ever made with any type of saw in any material, truly embarrassing.

After cutting the plywood the base of the Energer saw was hopelessly twisted as can be seen in the photos. The strut with the cut depth markings is bowed out of shape and although the base twists easily with the soft, thin metal and can't actually get it back into anything like a true position. Inevitably I will be asking Screwfix to accept the saw back for a full refund as I just don't think it's fit to do any sort of cutting.

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N.B. I also have the Energer Jigsaw, it's crap but a bit better than the circular saw and OK for DIYers to make rough cuts only, but tradesmen would likely find it unbearable due to the amount of vibration. I will post some more detail comments in a separate thread at some point)


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I would hope that you are returning this for a full refund under the sale of goods act...

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Colour Republic wrote:
WOW!! Just WOW!
That's a polite way of putting it! The photo exaggerates the effect a little, but it is ridiculous. There is nothing joining the base at the rear apart from the thin strut, and the pin that secures it is loose anyway to allow it to pivot for bevel adjustment.

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I would hope that you are returning this for a full refund under the sale of goods act...
That's the plan. I actually bought it a while ago because Screwfix ran a promo of 20% off the Energer range, so it actually cost £32 at the time, I don't think it's worth 32p. I detest these type of off brand tools and it went against every instinct for me to buy it. Usually I'd prefer a respectable hand tool to a bargain bin power tool, but I've got so much to do I rationalised by thinking "how bad can it be coming from Screwfix? it's not like they're a pound shop or dodgy eBay seller."


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Forgot to update this until now :oops: anyway, I emailed the photos and description to Screwfix customer services, they arranged to collect the saw next day and it was refunded a few days later.


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What an amazing example of just why so many cheap power tools should be avoided, or at least why a more expensive power tool costs more !
I am struggling to justify spending a lot of money on a couple of saws (a mitre saw and a track saw) as I don't have it to spare, but this sort of review really helps.
Thanks Icm76


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