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Hi this may seem a daft question but....

Two things I do not do or attempt to do.... gas and electric.

So....we have protons, neutrons and electrons and the electrons are the force used in our appliances.

So these electrons move within our wires and create an energy which 'powers' things.
But you cannot destroy energy and the electron is not USED, it is only 'passing through?

So the negative electron goes to the positive what? And as it still 'IS' after being used to, lets say power a light, were does it go?

And if I haven't 'used' the electron am I just paying for the 'flow' of electrons?

If so, is there a way that I can 'ring' them, so that I can just have them 'flow' round and round?

I know....silly dumb question but....WHERE does the electron go after it powers my light?

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Ummm ... electrons neutrons and protons make up atoms and do not "create" energy per se. the electricity that you consume say in your electric oven has been converted to heat (as one example)

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wine~o wrote:
Ummm ... electrons neutrons and protons make up atoms and do not "create" energy per se. the electricity that you consume say in your electric oven has been converted to heat (as one example)


Thanks for the reply mate but as far as physics goes it is only the electron (free electrons) which we use to power things and these cannot be converted to 'anything'!

They can 'flow' as a negative charge through wires and create ??????? (what) but cannot be 'used'! They still exist.

So....why can I not use them again?


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From long ago theory, probably out of date by now, electrons flow around a circuit when energy is applied to said circuit.
No energy, no electron flow. The energy is in the form of an electromagnetic wave IIRC. How the two, the energy and the electrons correlate, I'm not sure.
Suffice to say that you have to put energy into a circuit to transfer said energy. If you just have a loop of wire nothing happens, and if you cut the wire in a live circuit, electrons don't fall out of the end of the wire.



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So can I simply ask....what is electric?

What is it?

Is it the 'flow' of electrons which then no longer exist or do they?

If they do....then why can I not re-use them? Spin them round and 'flow' them back?

Just wondering?


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So....why can I not use them again?


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lake wrote:
So can I simply ask....what is electric?

What is it?

Is it the 'flow' of electrons which then no longer exist or do they?

If they do....then why can I not re-use them? Spin them round and 'flow' them back?

Just wondering?


I think you need to ask a physicist. :-)
AFAIK it's all theory.
I think the nearest thing you can think of is water in a perfectly horizontal loop of pipe. You need to apply energy by a pump to get the water to move. Stop applying the energy the water stops moving. It doesn't flow backwards until it reaches the point previous to pumping, because the energy has been used up in moving the water, and probably a bit of heat etc.
I'm sure somebody will know a lot more!



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So....why can I not use them again?


You can. Its all a con, Click here


Dont take the pis mate....you might know what electrons are but I do not....thats why im asking. :cb quite funny vid though. :hello2:


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So can I simply ask....what is electric?

What is it?

Is it the 'flow' of electrons which then no longer exist or do they?

If they do....then why can I not re-use them? Spin them round and 'flow' them back?

Just wondering?


I think you need to ask a physicist. :-)
AFAIK it's all theory.
I think the nearest thing you can think of is water in a perfectly horizontal loop of pipe. You need to apply energy by a pump to get the water to move. Stop applying the energy the water stops moving. It doesn't flow backwards until it reaches the point previous to pumping, because the energy has been used up in moving the water, and probably a bit of heat etc.
I'm sure somebody will know a lot more!



Thanks....and you consider that 'force' to be electromagnetic wave ? But if that is correct then you are still using electrons to create this 'wave' of energy!!!

Electro....(electrons) magnetic ....(electrons)

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Basically your electrically positive and negative bits get consumed and turned into a different sort of energy. once converted they can't be converted back

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wine~o wrote:
Basically your electrically positive and negative bits get consumed and turned into a different sort of energy. once converted they can't be converted back


Ok....thanks.

So there is no positive electrons, they are negative in charge and it is impossible to 'consume' any form of energy as it can only change to another form of energy.

So my desk light, the filament within it, is actually converting the negative electron to another form? Would that be correct? It which case to what?

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So can I simply ask....what is electric?

What is it?

Is it the 'flow' of electrons which then no longer exist or do they?

If they do....then why can I not re-use them? Spin them round and 'flow' them back?

Just wondering?


I think you need to ask a physicist. :-)
AFAIK it's all theory.
I think the nearest thing you can think of is water in a perfectly horizontal loop of pipe. You need to apply energy by a pump to get the water to move. Stop applying the energy the water stops moving. It doesn't flow backwards until it reaches the point previous to pumping, because the energy has been used up in moving the water, and probably a bit of heat etc.
I'm sure somebody will know a lot more!



Thanks....and you consider that 'force' to be electromagnetic wave ? But if that is correct then you are still using electrons to create this 'wave' of energy!!!

Electro....(electrons) magnetic ....(electrons)

??


Yes, (and again IIRC) the "force" or energy is in the form an electromagnetic wave. I don't really know how the electron flow and the em wave work together though.
I do remember from semiconductor theory that there's something called "hole flow" which is the opposite direction of electron flow, and is the "holes" left by the electrons.
I could look it up the same as you can, but whether either of us would be a great deal wiser without a lot more understanding of how things work in physics, I think we'd be only a little wiser.
You have to take some things as "given" I think.



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While I am asking ....... what is a positive charge and how does that differ from a negative charge?

What makes an electron 'negative' rather than positive?

Are protons more fun to be with than electrons?


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Close but no cigar.

The thing that you call a "light bulb" is actually a "darkon absorber" Darkons are all around us. They can only be eliminated by switching on the Darkon absorber. Our nearest star (called the Sun) is the biggest Darkon absorber in our solar system. I hope this helps..

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I think that "Positive" and "Negative" are just the terms used for the opposite "charges"
You're sort of straying into chemistry though, with charge states and elemental particles.
Chemistry really ain't my strong suite!



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