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 Post subject: Re: Electrons?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:13 pm 
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wine~o wrote:
Close but no cigar.

The thing that you call a "light bulb" is actually a "darkon absorber" Darkons are all around us. They can only be eliminated by switching on the Darkon absorber. Our nearest star (called the Sun) is the biggest Darkon absorber in our solar system. I hope this helps..


Ah thank you so very much. It is good to share knowledge and I will now indoctrinate my children with the understanding of a "darkon absorber".

I am certain that they will thank me for such knowledge.

You have helped future generations....thank you.

So are negative electrons just the reflection of this "darkon absorber"?

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Dave54 wrote:
I think that "Positive" and "Negative" are just the terms used for the opposite "charges"
You're sort of straying into chemistry though, with charge states and elemental particles.
Chemistry really ain't my strong suite!


Are you describing .... good and evil?

Elemental particles along with states of being!

Are you stating that electrons are 'used' by us and that this is fundamentally immoral?

I just wanted to know what electricity was :cb


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I think i mentioned in an earlier post that electrical energy gets converted into light and / or heat.. sooo the energy doesn't disappear or dissipate ... It just gets "converted" into a different sort of energy.

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wine~o wrote:
I think i mentioned in an earlier post that electrical energy gets converted into light and / or heat.. sooo the energy doesn't disappear or dissipate ... It just gets "converted" into a different sort of energy.


Cool....so an electron just gets to move quicker (heat) or becomes a photon!

So my washing machine is creating light from electrons....would that be correct?

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Electron movement is energy - it takes energy to get the electron moving in the first place so what you put 'in' to get the electron moving is what you take 'out' to power the item you intend.

But before the electron gets where it's meant to be it 'bumps into things' one the way - this is 'resistance' and it saps the energy from the electrons each and every time it hits them. It manifests itself as heat (since you can't create/destroy it, you change its form from electricity to heat instead).

In theory you CAN put electrons into a loop and save them for use later but you have to remove the resistance that saps them (eventually to zero) and the only way to get resistance to zero is to cool the conductor to 'absolute zero' (-273 deg C) where you get zero resistance and a current will flow in a closed loop conductor indefinitely.

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lake wrote:
So can I simply ask....what is electric?

What is it?



I should have looked in earlier, could have saved you all some time.

It's MAGIC. :thumbright:

(and I understand magic no more than I do electrickery) :help:

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Years ago I was taught to consider it like water, so if you have central heating the water moves around the system transferring energy as it does from boiler to radiator and in the main it is the same water going around and around, so may leak out which takes a route to sea and is the evaporated and goes into the clouds which fall as rain and it may end up refilling the header tank but most goes round and round in circles.

With the wire again most the electrons go round and round in circles, some may escape as radio signals and also radio signals may be received but most goes round and round in circles.


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*sighs*

If you want to use the water analogy, it's a river. The gradient of the river is the voltage, the current is the amount of water flowing. When you apply a voltage to a (semi)conductor, there is a current. Makes me shout at the TV/radio when I hear someone say "they applied an electric current and blah blah" I never hear what "blah blah" since I'm rallying against their ignorance.

Conductors (metals) have electrons in the outer shell of the atom that are loosely bound and easily moved; a sea of free electrons. Applying a voltage, creates an electric field and the mobile electrons interact with the fixed positive nuclei. The electrons themselves do move, but at a drift velocity which is usually tiny. It depends on conductivity, cross-sectional area and current from memory. Generally the speed is bugger all as in fractions of a mm per second. Under DC, they slowly drift about, under AC they just jiggle back and forth.

Resistance is broadly the physical movement of the free electrons interacting with inner shell electrons (more tightly bound) and the positively charged nucleus.

Very broadly, radiowaves, light, heat, x-rays etc are produced by electrons releasing energy by moving from a higher energy state to a lower state within the atom. The electrons don't escape.

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