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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:48 pm 
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Hi,

I was asked by our lovely neighbour Carole this morning if I had a couple of longer screws to suit a 13A double socket; plasterers have re-plastered her kitchen wall resulting in the original screws now being too short? Unfortunately I couldn't supply but out of curiosity I browsed Screwfix and Toolstation websites.

http://www.screwfix.com/c/screws-nails-fixings/electrical-screws/cat840224?cm_sp=managedredirect-_-electrical-_-screws

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p48443?table=no

3.5mm x 50mm from both suppliers.

Screwfix £4.93 per 50.

Toolstation £2.96 per 100.

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Pretty expensive for what they are really, and you have to buy a large box. Good job I hang onto my spares, I always take them from replaced fittings and often find them rolling around on the floor in places like B&Q. Old ones may look a bit rough but a few seconds on the belt sander and a quick run over the buffing wheel and they look brand new.



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Rorschach wrote:
Old ones may look a bit rough but a few seconds on the belt sander and a quick run over the buffing wheel and they look brand new.


I wish more people were willing to fix up and reuse things.

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Hi,

Thanks Rorschach; I too am a magpie in that I find it difficult to dispose of even tiny bits of timber; even a small piece of timber comes in handy for putting under things I'm drilling in the big drill press or they make nice pressure pads whilst clamping during glue up; I have nuts; bolts and washers of all types; screws and fixings multiply each time I visit Rufforth Auto Jumble; I think I'm obsessed with such things.

I can have offcuts kicking around for years until they get out of hand then I have a general clear-out only to find I now need the offcuts I've just dumped; I treat offcuts of metal as my treasure which gets topped up frequently; it's amazing what I can make from my scrap and a bit of imagination; the offcuts never seem to get fully used up they just become smaller in size. Broken appliances of all kinds are stripped to yield sheet metal and lots of assorted fasteners and electrical connectors; I don't think its a case of being mean or tight but I remember years ago when I had absolutely nothing so now I cherish my kit and stock; the problem now being that I've run out of space. :cb

It sure pays to shop around even for such simple things as these electrical screws; there is a huge difference in price between both suppliers and I'm surprised Screwfix are so expensive considering the name "Screwfix" one would expect them to be cheapest or at least competitive when it comes to screws. :scratch:

Not wishing my time away but I'll be glad to see the back of Christmas and New Year once again allowing me to resume workshop activities; I'm suffering withdrawal symptoms.

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It sure pays to shop around even for such simple things as these electrical screws; there is a huge difference in price between both suppliers and I'm surprised Screwfix are so expensive considering the name "Screwfix" one would expect them to be cheapest or at least competitive when it comes to screws. :scratch:


But the toolstation ones are truly awful, the slot in the heads is very shallow and rounded off, nothing like the photo. Given the reviews of the Screwfix ones I suspect they are better.

In B&Q it's £2 for 4 screws!!

http://www.diy.com/departments/bq-brass ... 044_BQ.prd

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It sure pays to shop around even for such simple things as these electrical screws; there is a huge difference in price between both suppliers and I'm surprised Screwfix are so expensive considering the name "Screwfix" one would expect them to be cheapest or at least competitive when it comes to screws. :scratch:


But the toolstation ones are truly awful, the slot in the heads is very shallow and rounded off, nothing like the photo. Given the reviews of the Screwfix ones I suspect they are better.

In B&Q it's £2 for 4 screws!!

http://www.diy.com/departments/bq-brass ... 044_BQ.prd



At that price I can buy a whole new switchplate with screws for less!



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Old ones may look a bit rough but a few seconds on the belt sander and a quick run over the buffing wheel and they look brand new.


I wish more people were willing to fix up and reuse things.

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I do my best when I can but I try and be careful not to spend a silly amount of time on something. Partly it's down to having the tools. Cleaning and polishing metal is a time consuming and messy job if you don't have belt/disc sanders designed for it and a proper buffing set up and suitable buffing compounds. When you do have these things it becomes a trivial matter to put a shine back into many items quickly and efficiently.



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I remember fixing someones kitchen electrics to find all the wallplate sockets fitted to their boxes using WOODSCREWS :shock: and the proper screws still mounted in their clips on the rear of the plates! :lol:

That's chippies for you!

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I buy a lot from TS and SF but find the quality a bit iffy from TS especially their tools. Still you always have the opportunity to reject it once you view it at the checkout which I do frequently.

A few weeks ago I bought TS masking tape and it was truly awful. I couldn't tear a piece longer than 12" without it breaking off. I drove back to TS and gave them what for and ended up buying the dearer stuff from SF.



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Hi,

As Rorschach says it pays to retain old screws etc and reuse whenever possible even if it does mean a bit of tweaking. For something as simple as these electrical screws though the price difference between TS and SF is huge even if the Screwfix screws are of better quality? If the slots in the Toolstation screws are a bit shallow then running a junior hacksaw across will soon put them right; these screws in position are not normally inspected close up. Next time I visit TS I'll buy some of these screws just out of curiosity. The price charged at B&Q is extortionate but then many times it comes down to convenience. It is however ridiculous and nothing short of taking the Mickey when to buy two of these screws costs more than buying a complete electrical item with the two screws included.

It's so easy to shop around these days sitting at a computer and can save a fortune.

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You can get extenders as well, sort of screw with a threaded socket on top. Handy sometimes if you want to keep the original screws for the colour, or can be used with nut and cut down screw if the box thread is stripped.
Used to come across the thing of woodscrews holding electrical stuff a lot at one time. Often due to there being boxes with the old imperial threads being a bit bigger(they were 4BA I think)
I'm a magpie for "scrap" bits and pieces too. Also I rarely buy one or two of anything like screws either, as invariably a box is as cheap. They get used up over time.



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Hi,

Thanks Dave54; I had thought about extenders to help Carole out with just this one socket; I have an assortment of circuit board "stand offs" which I'll look through or I could even make my own. It's not a major job its just that Christmas has got in the way. I've got thousands of screws of every type but the one I need?

There is usually a screw/fastener stall at Rufforth Auto Jumble and a couple of months ago I spent over £40 on lots of boxes of screws; at the stall a couple of guys were talking about boxes of screws which could be screwed directly into masonry once the correct dia hole had been drilled; I'd never seen these previously so I bought a couple of boxes but as yet not tried them out; normally I plug and screw. As to wood-screws I now prefer to use drywall screws whenever possible; drywall screws are incredibly cheap and they drive fast with excellent holding power; unfortunately choice of length is limited.

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I've just been using some of those masonry screws and they've been absolutely brilliant.
If you're using quite a few it's a big time saver over using rawl plugs.

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I like masonry screws for lighter loads and fast fixing. Never used drywall screws though.



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I now prefer to use drywall screws whenever possible; drywall screws are incredibly cheap and they drive fast with excellent holding power; unfortunately choice of length is limited.


Plenty of different lengths in your *Favourite* store Screwfix Col;
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Be aware though that compared to normal wood screws the drywalls are very brittle.. not good where any load is an issue..

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