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Having tried a variety of Dulux Trade water-based trim paints my conclusion is:

Their primer undercoat is excellent.

Their gloss is dreadful, dries far too quick, drags very easily so challenging to pay off, and very poor opacity.

Their satinwood is excellent. Great opacity, self-undercoating but works just as well with one coat on top of an undercoat, doesn't dry too fast so no dragging when laying off.

Armstead water-based undercoat is excellent, just as good as the DT primer undercoat.

Bedec MSP Soft Gloss is brilliant over Armstead water-based undercoat so it will be my water-based gloss of choice. Stays open longer than any of the others so no dragging. Downside - it smells like ammonia!


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Primer undercoat = pinched from Sikkens
Gloss = their own shite because Sikkens did not make gloss in water based.
Satinwood (please call it Satiin to educate the people) = sikkens BL satura

The rest I don't know. But those above are calculated guesses.

Pfffft. It seems like you start liking water based. You will still buy cheap brushes and throw them away I guess ::b

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It seems like you start liking water based.


I wouldn't go that far :lol:

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You will still buy cheap brushes and throw them away I guess


Yes. I tried some dearer ones but they just didn't feel as good after being washed out. Plus, the time involved in cleaning them properly didn't make any sense to me as I would rather be drinking rum. :shock: Like wallpaper, it seems the price of a brush is not always an indication of its quality.


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Gotta disagree on the QD Trade gloss. Its quite spectacular gear, but does tend to eat brushes a bit too readily. It benefits from a drop of water and/or conditioner, but I would personally put it at the top of the heap of WB glosses.

CDC is trying to source Behr so that may change.

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I never used gloss for interiors since I was about 15ish. So I claim ignorance of gloss stuff :LoL:


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Gotta disagree on the QD Trade gloss. Its quite spectacular gear,


By that, do you mean it is better than other qd glosses that you have used? To me, the Bedec seems a lot more user-friendly and covers better (especially if over qd undercoat).

If Dulux Trade qd gloss is the best of the bunch then I'm flabbergasted that nobody has come up with a better formula.


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Its better, and by a good margin, in terms of opacity and particularly its sheen. A second gloss coat leaves a near oil level of shine.

That said, Bedec is a much easier paint to work with, and a true acrylic as.well. You do need the Dulux QD undercoat or Rubbol BL primer as a base to get the most out of it, and yes, QD Gloss is quite an unforgiving paint.

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I have some photos of a staircase, where the white trim was done in QD gloss from a couple of years back. I'll put up later.

WB gloss remains the holy grail of new gen paints in many ways, and there are big differences between them. Some are pigs to apply.

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Found these lurking in the depths of my PC. The spec for this one was the usual prep and 1 WB undercoat and 1 WB gloss (Both Dulux QD)

I remember QD Gloss splitting opinion over on PPS when it first came out. It really seemed to divide everyone, more than any other paint I can recall actually. It is quite oily in feel, relatively heavy-bodied, and so perhaps those who were used to the lighter WB offerings found it too much of a departure.

That wood was still white the last time I was in the house (18 months after it was done)


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How will a WB paint last where hands/fingers touch it all the time leaving grease and acids?


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Once it's cured I don't imagine there should be any issues. The ones with polyurethane in the formula would be the best choice for anything in high wear situations, though curing would still be required.

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Found these lurking in the depths of my PC. The spec for this one was the usual prep and 1 WB undercoat and 1 WB gloss (Both Dulux QD)

I remember QD Gloss splitting opinion over on PPS when it first came out. It really seemed to divide everyone, more than any other paint I can recall actually. It is quite oily in feel, relatively heavy-bodied, and so perhaps those who were used to the lighter WB offerings found it too much of a departure.

That wood was still white the last time I was in the house (18 months after it was done)
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Found these lurking in the depths of my PC. The spec for this one was the usual prep and 1 WB undercoat and 1 WB gloss (Both Dulux QD)

I remember QD Gloss splitting opinion over on PPS when it first came out. It really seemed to divide everyone, more than any other paint I can recall actually. It is quite oily in feel, relatively heavy-bodied, and so perhaps those who were used to the lighter WB offerings found it too much of a departure.

That wood was still white the last time I was in the house (18 months after it was done)


Nice carpet... :hiding:

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32 years that carpet has been down and is still in good nick. Its a busy one isn't it.

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