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There's a new driving test being introduced on 4/12/17.

One or two things caught my eye when reading about it.

Four out of every five tests will include being asked to drive somewhere using a Satnav,(provided and programmed by the examiner).

So what about the other 20%? Is it alright if they can/can't use one? Weird!

The "pass mark" remains the same apparently - no more than 15 minor faults (and no major ones) and you'll pass.

WTF is a minor fault when you're driving? And if someone manages 14 of them, are they really fit to drive?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 90046.html

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Minor faults are things like rolling backwards a bit when doing a hill start, bumping the kerb when parking, not indicating a turn early enough.


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Those 'minor faults' are why we've got sh1te drivers on our roads today - and incorporating the use of a GPS into the test is another nail in the coffin of road skills.

::b How long before we end up as a country who's driving test consists of 'putting the car in gear and moving it forwards = pass'???

Yet more dumbing down of society.

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It won't be long before driving tests are unnecessary.


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Rorschach wrote:
Minor faults are things like rolling backwards a bit when doing a hill start, bumping the kerb when parking, not indicating a turn early enough.


So, that's a combination of not really being in control of the car, and poor driving. :shock:

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ayjay wrote:
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Minor faults are things like rolling backwards a bit when doing a hill start, bumping the kerb when parking, not indicating a turn early enough.


So, that's a combination of not really being in control of the car, and poor driving. :shock:


Yes and no. It's an acceptance of the fact that people being tested are nervous, possibly in an unfamiliar car and under a lot of pressure. Who here can say that they can parallel park perfectly first time every time, including when being watched and assessed?

Do I roll back a few inches when I do a hill start? No, did I do it on the odd occasion when I was learning/just passed, certainly.

Minor faults are there to allow for little mistakes we all make, especially when under pressure, major faults allow for dangerous behaviour or proper lack of control of the vehicle.

GPS testing, maybe a good thing, not really sure on that.


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The pass mark for GPS use should be the ability to switch it off and drive without one.

Any driving instructor worth their salt can recognise the difference between nerves and plain incompetence - if they can't they shouldn't be in the job.

But there are driving 'skills' that are definitely lacking these days and approaching and exiting roundabouts is much, much worse - ISTR they actually changed the rules??? Either way, if they stopped 'foreign' drivers using the roads (subject to them retaking the test in OUR country) we might see an improvement.

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tbh its about time the test adapted to modern technology's, if anything test have become harder our local test centre has a pass rate of 42%, these devices are in use daily so why shouldn't be part of the test ? they are a major distraction so why not learn to use them in a controlled environment, the same goes for motorway driving, the amount of new drivers that don't know how to merge or exit a slip road is not a joke

we still use breaking distances what where set by a Morris minor with drums all around, so things have to change


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Bob225 wrote:
tbh its about time the test adapted to modern technology's, if anything test have become harder our local test centre has a pass rate of 42%, these devices are in use daily so why shouldn't be part of the test ? they are a major distraction so why not learn to use them in a controlled environment,


I don't disagree with the satnav being part of the test.

What I can't figure is why only 4 out of 5 will be tested with it. (I'm guessing that it's some sort of statistic fishing exercise).

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ayjay wrote:
Bob225 wrote:
tbh its about time the test adapted to modern technology's, if anything test have become harder our local test centre has a pass rate of 42%, these devices are in use daily so why shouldn't be part of the test ? they are a major distraction so why not learn to use them in a controlled environment,


I don't disagree with the satnav being part of the test.

What I can't figure is why only 4 out of 5 will be tested with it. (I'm guessing that it's some sort of statistic fishing exercise).


The current method is 'independent driving' get from point A to point B, (like a popping to the shops type thing) The youth of today have to be told and directed to do anything in life independent thinking is one of those dying arts, as is common sense for some (think blond bimbo)


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Using a GPS is NOT driving. The test should be about control of the vehicle and observance of the rules of the road. Just because GPS has become 'standard fit' in a car shouldn't mean it is to be included in a test. I don't recall being questioned on my knowledge of music when stereo's became common-place in cars...... in fact one of the 'tricks' the examiner used to try was to ask you to turn down the volume and the second you took your eyes off the road to do it, he failed you!

If I was to take my test today and failed because I couldn't use a GPS I'd be livid. If a GPS is relevant, why wasn't map reading before them? other than the fact 99% of women would fail because they turned them upside down.... :mrgreen:

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What I ask is whether an hours drive around the local town and housing estate really prepares the new driver for the real world experience of playing high speed dodgems with the homicidal maniacs out there?
Satnav included in the test or not.
You can literally pass your test in a little low powered car, and drive off in a Ferrari, assuming you can get insured.
Drivers in general seem to have FA knowledge of the rules of the road either.
Young couple parked right on a zebra crossing in town on Saturday night to change drivers. . .
Perhaps the Satnav told them to park there?


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Can't see a sat nav being a problem most of them will normally be texting with the radio on full while talking to their mates in the back seat anyway!


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K_E that's the whole point, its a distraction, you need to have the skill of being able to drive with the distractions of modern society

long gone are the days of a man with a red flag walking in front of the car :lol: :roll: or staring at a horses a$53

A driving test is just purely a snap shot of a moment in time, To obtain the privilege to drive, it is a privilege to be earned, not a right.

No amount of training will make you a good driver that takes many years or in the case of audi and bmw drivers never, every time you get in a car you are constantly learning, Its purely a calculated risk some are better at it than others


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