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 Post subject: Drill Stand Advice
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:19 pm 
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So for as long as I can remember, I've used one of these to drill perpendicular holes when the need has arisen. The photo isn't of mine - mine is more ... used.
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But now my 30 year old drill is showing signs of it's age and the spare parts are nigh on impossible to find with ease. Modern B&D drills don't have the three dimples to fit in the stands. But I like them since misaligning in at attachment is pretty much impossible.

The modern equivalent for us DIYers seems to be the likes of
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Are they as good as the old ones? But they worry me since they are only gripped by the collar so risk not being truly perpendicular, or worse, slipping when pressing too hard.

In my head, I want a
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but casual use and bench space won't allow.

So, do I track down an old school B&D drill and carry on, or buy a "modern" drill and a new stand?

I'd be interested to hear from anyone who's used the latter and their experience with a one point grip.

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 Post subject: Re: Drill Stand Advice
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:27 pm 
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The new stands are mostly pants. They have their uses and I use mine a lot, but a proper drill press is much better and is my go to drill.


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whats actually wrong with the drill ??
i have 2 different bxd drills i never use from around the 80s
and that drill stand somewhere :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:54 pm 
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I have the last one you posted a picture of. The nearest I can find is This one yes its cheap, yes the switch gave up (Swapped it for another switch) but the price is the reason I got one, don't use it much, takes up a bit more space than the thing you have, and for the money I can not complain and yes very useful to have.

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A bench pillar drill is obviously better in some ways, but the older drill stands by and large are a lot better than the majority of modern stands with the possible exceptions of the heavier modern Wolfcraft (German) model (c.£90):

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- I had its' predecessor model for many years and it was useful for doing all sorts of stuff (including being screwed to timber beams on one occasion and being used to drill through with a 400mm auger bit for long bolts - the alternative was a £400 specialist jig and TBH that's one job you can't do with a bench pedestal drill)

Or Bosch's heavy stand, model DP500 (c.£130 to £140):

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and the Record Power DS19 stand (c.£65):

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Which has just replaced the DMS26 stand

I think that all of them would give my old Stanley-Bridges drill stand a run for it's money. I've never seen the current Bosch stand, but its' predecessor was a well made item. I have seen the Wolfcraft and it's quite a nice item, but the Record is probably the heaviest of them all as it is cast iron throughout.

Against that, if your drill is on it's last legs but your drill stand is still good it may be worth considering a second-hand (older) B&D drill from eBay. There are still a lot of old B&D drills out there with years of life in them which can be had in decent condition (sometimes even unused) and from under £25. The main things to do with them (apart from the checking that they work and that there is a chuck key) is to repack the gearbox with grease and oil the back of motor bearing - because the back of motor bearings on a lot of B&Ds was a plain bearing with a felt oil reservoir (as opposed to the ball bearing of modern drills and of industrial drills of the time) and these do dry out over time and so should be periodically fed with a drop or two of light oil such as 3-in-1 or sewing machine oil. Do that and you may well be able to get 10 or more years out of a drill

IMHO if you want reliability you are best off looking for models with a 2-speed gearbox rather than any of the models with electronics because it's always electronics which go horribly wrong, especially on the earlier models, and they can't be fixed. An example of what you can get is this 2-speed 1/2in chuck B&D (not sure of the model, maybe DN720?) is currently on eBay for a tenner + postage:

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BTW I'm still sad enough to use an old Stanley-Bridges drill press complete with a 2-speed Stanley-Bridges drill from the 1960s....... As I keep saying, though, "It does the job"

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£63, go on you cannot go wrong. Find a space for it https://www.screwfix.com/p/energer-enb6 ... 240v/1009j

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£63, go on you cannot go wrong. Find a space for it https://www.screwfix.com/p/energer-enb6 ... 240v/1009j

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Polite cough. That is the one I linked to earlier.

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Sorry SE, I did not follow your link. I think it is the same as my one that I bought years ago for £40. It has been bloody good.

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Drill press is nice for smaller things, but a drill and a stand is far easier to take outside when drilling larger things.

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Job and Knock wrote:
IMHO if you want reliability you are best off looking for models with a 2-speed gearbox rather than any of the models with electronics because it's always electronics which go horribly wrong, especially on the earlier models, and they can't be fixed. An example of what you can get is this 2-speed 1/2in chuck B&D (not sure of the model, maybe DN720?) is currently on eBay for a tenner + postage]


Yer, I've been eyeing up the ebay ones but most are collection only. When I asked one seller if they'd be okay with me arranging for ParcelForce to collect it and all they'd need to do is wrap it and put the address on, they put all sorts of barriers up like I was trying to scam them out of a £10 drill. :wtf:

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if my old drills are off any use always learning i will foc send them to a good home to yourself but only if its along the lines off "yes nice one " will experiment and try and fix
rather than "cant be arrsed " but will say thanks send them anyway :lol:

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if my old drills are off any use always learning i will foc send them to a good home to yourself but only if its along the lines off "yes nice one " will experiment and try and fix
rather than "cant be arrsed " but will say thanks send them anyway :lol:


Oh I'm definitely on the "yes nice one" side. Worst case is replacing the bearings and greasing which is a half hour job assuming some plus gas will let me crack the left handed thread on the chuck to get to the front bearing so, offer accepted!

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ok pm me with your address ect and will send in a few days :thumbright:

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Nice one, B-A :salute: :thumbright:

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no big deal really :huray:
the warm glow from helping and giving is far greater than effort involved :thumbright:

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