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 Post subject: Dressing new pine doors
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:07 pm 
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A customer has had 11 new pine internal doors fitted and she would like them dressed with something. She doesn't want them stained, varnished, or painted because she wants to see the grain without them being made any darker. Would Danish Oil work?


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A customer has had 11 new pine internal doors fitted and she would like them dressed with something. She doesn't want them stained, varnished, or painted because she wants to see the grain without them being made any darker. Would Danish Oil work?


Anything clear will work. If they were in my house and I wanted them to look natural I'd give them a good few coats of clear matt varnish.



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f they were in my house and I wanted them to look natural I'd give them a good few coats of clear matt varnish.


I suggested that to her but she was adamant she didn't want varnish :dunno:


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f they were in my house and I wanted them to look natural I'd give them a good few coats of clear matt varnish.


I suggested that to her but she was adamant she didn't want varnish :dunno:
Shes probably thinking of the high gloss polyurethane yacht varnish of yesteryear.

Couldn't you paint the top edge of a door to show her and put her mind at ease?

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f they were in my house and I wanted them to look natural I'd give them a good few coats of clear matt varnish.


I suggested that to her but she was adamant she didn't want varnish :dunno:
She's asked for your advice, you've given her that advice and suggested some options and she's not listened. She sounds like a pain in the arse. politely tell her to do the research that you're not getting paid to do.



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What about this stuff?

http://www.wood-finishes-direct.com/pro ... gIMlvD_BwE

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Wax? Satin finish once buffed (and she can redo every 6 months or when she feels like it).

EDIT. I see Fitzy went for oil/wax I was thinking of wax/wax e.g. Briwax (which I see is now part of Rustins https://www.rustins.ltd/briwax and they have oil/wax too). WTF...



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I don't really like oil on pine. It can go a bit "blotchy" and it does tend to darken the wood.
Mind you the wood will darken over time anyway. . .
What about acrylic sanding sealer, followed by a denib with Scotchbrite, and a clear paste wax.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Chestnut-ASS50 ... B005QM2CS0 Is one I've used in the past.

I'd try it somewhere that won't be seen. As ftzy says.



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Here's a strange one, had a customer earlier this year who asked me to strip the paint off their staircase handrails. I got it all cleaned back to bare with a detail sander to reveal a beautiful piece of hardwood. The customer loved the look of it and didn't want it darkened/shiny or altered in any way, I told her it needed some kind of protection and advised polyvine dead flat acrylic varnish. Tried a test area for her to see and it had darkened slightly, she wasn't happy. I got talking to a furniture restorer and he said to use kiwi rain and stain protector for shoes, I kid you not. Sprayed the kiwi stuff on, wiped it over with a clean rag, no colour change, dead flat, wood protected from water/grease/hand marks, customer over the moon.



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worth mentioning that modern water based varnishes do not yellow over time
and regardless off finish applied or unfinished it will over a year or so turn to antique pine colour anyway

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Tom, what Big-al says is the important bit, that pine will darken and will become "antique pine". You need to make your customer aware so you don't get any blame. Perhaps a UV oil may stop it darkening (I never tried it and do quite believe it) but then the oil itself will darken it immediately.



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Tom, what Big-al says is the important bit, that pine will darken and will become "antique pine". You need to make your customer aware so you don't get any blame. Perhaps a UV oil may stop it darkening (I never tried it and do quite believe it) but then the oil itself will darken it immediately.

On the other hand, knowing that it will slowly darken, and there's nothing (that I know of at least) which will stop it, is it better to say nothing?
I'm not suggesting dishonesty as such, just saying that oft times it's better not to draw attention to something which isn't actually a problem. . .
Mind you I'd be half inclined to turn down the job as Ktuludays says above.



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Renaissance wax would do a good job of protection without changing the colour much, thought it won't stop the wood darkening naturally either.



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Dave54 wrote:
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Tom, what Big-al says is the important bit, that pine will darken and will become "antique pine". You need to make your customer aware so you don't get any blame. Perhaps a UV oil may stop it darkening (I never tried it and do quite believe it) but then the oil itself will darken it immediately.

On the other hand, knowing that it will slowly darken, and there's nothing (that I know of at least) which will stop it, is it better to say nothing?
I'm not suggesting dishonesty as such, just saying that oft times it's better not to draw attention to something which isn't actually a problem. . .
Mind you I'd be half inclined to turn down the job as Ktuludays says above.
I missed a word in my comment ... I do NOT believe in UV oil that blah blah

But you do have a point ...
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Danish oil is the devils work, what you want is osmo poly text raw



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