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Tom, what Big-al says is the important bit, that pine will darken and will become "antique pine". You need to make your customer aware so you don't get any blame. Perhaps a UV oil may stop it darkening (I never tried it and do quite believe it) but then the oil itself will darken it immediately.

On the other hand, knowing that it will slowly darken, and there's nothing (that I know of at least) which will stop it, is it better to say nothing?
I'm not suggesting dishonesty as such, just saying that oft times it's better not to draw attention to something which isn't actually a problem. . .
Mind you I'd be half inclined to turn down the job as Ktuludays says above.


you need to work out what they want and expect
you need to work out what is is the likely outcome
you need to tell them what is reasonable
you need to tell them what will probably happen
you need to align there expectations with reality
if they have other thoughts try to fulfill them
but be prepaired to walk away as your reputation is not worth the damage from " i want i want " sorry wont work " i want i want " situations :scratch:

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Tom, what Big-al says is the important bit, that pine will darken and will become "antique pine". You need to make your customer aware so you don't get any blame. Perhaps a UV oil may stop it darkening (I never tried it and do quite believe it) but then the oil itself will darken it immediately.

On the other hand, knowing that it will slowly darken, and there's nothing (that I know of at least) which will stop it, is it better to say nothing?
I'm not suggesting dishonesty as such, just saying that oft times it's better not to draw attention to something which isn't actually a problem. . .
Mind you I'd be half inclined to turn down the job as Ktuludays says above.


you need to work out what they want and expect
you need to work out what is is the likely outcome
you need to tell them what is reasonable
you need to tell them what will probably happen
you need to align there expectations with reality
if they have other thoughts try to fulfill them
but be prepaired to walk away as your reputation is not worth the damage from " i want i want " sorry wont work " i want i want " situations :scratch:
I think big-all has hit the nail on the head here. Even if you satisfy them now, what happens in a year when the wood naturally darkens? You'll be to blame for recommending product x and you'll be bad mouthed for a poor job etc...

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never used it on new pine but the Osmo flat matt oil claims to have a UV protector built in so should slow any age related darkening of the pine.

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Yup, but oil will darken the wood immediately the moment it is put on. Of course we do not know what the customer wants, she might like her white pine (if it is still white) or she might like antique pine.



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http://www.osmouk.com/sitechapter.cfm?c ... 7#PolyxOil

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I have used their oils and they are very nice ... my point is that wood simply darkens the moment something (anything) is applied to it. Some lacquers may be ok, wax, and AFAIK very quick drying acrylic varnishes do not darken the wood much.



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I've used danish oil thinned with turpentine which I always felt improved the workability although I agree there are better oils. I recently put in a pine loovred door for someone and they too wanted it to remain as light as possible. I used Blackfriars quick drying satin varnish which once dry didn't change the colour noticeably and imparting a slight sheen.



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Thank you for all the responses.

She has chosen Danish oil and doesn't mind the wood darkening a little bit. Each to their own... :lol:



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Tom d'Angler wrote:
Thank you for all the responses.

She has chosen Danish oil and doesn't mind the wood darkening a little bit. Each to their own...
So she originally didn't want them any darker but will now accept a little darkening? Nowt as queer as folk.

At least she listened to your advice.

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So she originally didn't want them any darker but will now accept a little darkening? Nowt as queer as folk.


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As an aside, and just my personal opinion, pine doors look not very nice, antique pine doors as they will become look awful. :mrgreen:



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