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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:00 am 
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Hi,

I’m new to the forum so hello to all you lovely people.

I’m looking to get downlighters fitted into the rooms of my house, i’ve ventured into the loft to see what i’ve got to work with and noticed what would be the bedroom ceiling (floor in the loft) to be different to what i’m familiar with I.e flat plaster boards or what ever is used. I’ve attached a photo below and it seems to be rippled? Is this okay to drill etc? Trying to gather some advice before I get someone in.

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It's lathe & plaster - thin strips of timber nailed to the joists with small gaps left between the lathes which are then covered in plaster, the plaster squeezes between the gaps which helps it to hold in place and creates the effect that you see in your pic.

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Round here they refer the plaster that's pushed through as "snots"

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Thank you for your responses, I wasn't sure if I would receive "ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer" response as I have received when posting on other forums around the web.

I just wanted to make sure I in case it was asbestos related, I'm not educated very well in building works so I just wanted to make sure before I had work carried out.

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Thank you for your responses, I wasn't sure if I would receive "ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer" response as I have received when posting on other forums around the web.

I just wanted to make sure I in case it was asbestos related, I'm not educated very well in building works so I just wanted to make sure before I had work carried out.

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So after some research, I think I feel confident enough to give it a go myself. Before I do I just want to clarify a few things first, now I know I'm going to use 1.0mm T&E but I'm still not 100% certain how the wiring should exactly be installed, I've read around the forum that from the "ceiling rose" (I have decided to go for the Ashley J501 16 Amp Downlighter Junction Box (if this is wrong please tell me) you can daisy chain directly from downlight to downlight but some then say that you should use junction box's between each light...? I've added a little diagram below from what I've gathered and it would be great if someone would be able to tell me which is best or most suitable for what I want to achieve.

If doing diagram 1. I have planned to use an Ashley J501 16 Amp Downlighter Junction Box to replace the current ceiling rose then 1.0mm T&E to the first junction box (from research WAGO are one of the easier junction boxes to use) then 1.0mm 2 core flex from the WAGO to the downlight, there would then be 1.0mm T&E that would go to the next WAGO and then 1.0mm 2 core from that junction box to the downlight and so on...

Diagram 2. would be 2 core flex from Ashley J501 16 Amp Downlighter Junction Box to the downlight then 2 core flex to the next downlight etc...

WAGO Junction Box: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/WAGOBOXL.html
Ashley J501 16 Amp Downlighter Junction Box: https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/ASJ501.html

Any advice would be helpful!

Thanks :)


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option 2, loop from one light to the next etc

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Awesome, thank you for your reply! what thickness cable would be best suitable? I’m looking to install 5 downlights which will have 6w cool white LED GU10 bulbs.

Also in terms of the junction box in replacement of the ceiling rose, is the junction box I chose okay or would you suggest otherwise?

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1mm twin and earth, and you could use wago's instead of a JB

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The downlights only have terminals for 2 core as they don’t need to be earthed (they are earthed already) would 3 core still be necessary? Also when you say wago’s do you mean one or multiple? maybe a diagram would be helpful if you can.


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They may not need to be earthed now, but in the future...... also, as they are on the lighting circuit it will have a 5A Fuse or 6A mcb, so it will have to have 1mm cable, and since 1mm flex is expensive (compared to T&E) and T& E is the right cable,.......

As a side order, you say the lights only need 2 core as they are earthed already, how can they be earthed if they only require a 2 core cable? answer, they are not earthed, but probably are double insulated.

wagos, your choice which ones , i prefer the grey ones with orange levers.

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My mistake, you are correct they are double insulated. Where exactly would I use a WAGO junction box apart from in replacement of the ceiling rose if you say I should go for diagram 2? From what drew on the paper, I would go directly from light to light (every light apart from the final one would have 2 cables essentially) so would the WAGO be for the ceiling rose or/and between each downlight light I drew in diagram 1?

I just want to make sure I'm on the right understanding as you.


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It depends on the lights you choose. Most you should easily be able to put in 2 x 1mm twin and earth cables, but if you can't ........use wagos. You might also want to use a wago for each earth. although the lamp does not need it, it has to be there, and if you cut the cable you will need to re join the earth to keep continuity, and at the last one so it can not tough anything it should not.

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