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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:52 pm 
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ive been asked to price up replacing a door closer on a baker's shop that i regularly go too for dinner.

the existing door closer looks to be just a cheap model. its already had someone else try and adjust it but now the door simply shuts at one speed from fully opened till its closed and then it bounces open. so the wind bangs it and it annoys the staff.

when i was looking at it it also looks to originally have been fitted incorrectly. from experience the instructions say the arm attached to the frame should be at 90 degrees to the frame and this one is not.

the manager of the shop said she would prefer that a higher rated model be fitted than the £10 screwfix special or whatever. so i would have said something like a britton
https://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/pro ... ver-202292
https://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/pro ... ver-662926

so anyone able to say what would be better? seems they are pretty much the same to me like. the shop is small but fairly busy so the door is open and shut all day 6 days a week.


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Depends on budget Finnon. For a retail premises you might want summat a bit more durable such as

https://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/pro ... ver-758207

They can always pay you in dinners...

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aye ha spend some ££ in there i do.

those budget closers are defo ney good like. they are a feck on to adjust also. i should imagine the better quality closers will adjust easier and with a better closing action


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ill givd em a couple of options. itll need done like regardless coz the door will be banging like out when it is windy


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Dorma closers are great,expensive but worth the money. A shop needs a high quality one more than most I’d say.
If it’s a paki shop tho then he’ll go for the 10 quid screwfix one.....

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wine~o wrote:
They can always pay you in dinners...
I will go and help him if they can feed me breakfast lunch and dinner in pies :-) S Shields was it? :lol:


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haha aye its in south shields


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haha aye its in south shields

I was visiting in Wrekenton a few weeks ago ;-)


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steviejoiner74 wrote:
Dorma closers are great,expensive but worth the money. A shop needs a high quality one more than most I’d say.
If it’s a paki shop tho then he’ll go for the 10 quid screwfix one.....


aye ill check out dorma closers.

cheap ones are fine in say a house going to a garage, opened once twice a day at the most.

this shop i can go over for my dinner and there will be a queue oot the door. busy from early in the morning till closing time.

the shop front is a bit tired like but they are spending money. new roof this year, new shop floor last year. but the door deffo needs a closer


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out of interest like... is there any particular reason why some say suitable for interior doors and some say suitable for interior or exterior doors? they all seem to be within the same weight range.

or is it for a situation where they need to be on the outside of a door for whatever reason and exposed to the elements and that


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Medium duty I often have Briton 2000 series to fit or sometimes Dorma TS92, heavy duty (e.g hospital doors, restaurant doors, etc) it's generally the heavier Briton 2130 series that go on and they are really durable. Briton are indeed good closers, although the 2130s I refer to are about the £100 to £125 mark

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when i was looking at it it also looks to originally have been fitted incorrectly. from experience the instructions say the arm attached to the frame should be at 90 degrees to the frame and this one is not.

Not necessarily - it is sometimes necessary for reasons of space, door opening configuration or even just taste to do a parallel arm installation (this is more commonly the case for front of door mountings, though). On some closers or in some situations that may require an additional bracket to achieve (often included in the basic kit, but not always)

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out of interest like... is there any particular reason why some say suitable for interior doors and some say suitable for interior or exterior doors? they all seem to be within the same weight range.

AFAIK exterior grade should use all stainless steel fittings and fixings and have more weatherproof seals but TBH I've rarely fitted them. Modern closers all have solid aluminium bodies, so they will corrode in salt air, erc. Exterior closers also need to incorporate tamper-proof covers (as opposed to the slide-on type cover than Dormas use)

A note for anyone who has not previously installed a door closer and who is reading this: you'll need to readjust the closer speed about 1 to 2 weeks after installation, again after 1 to 2 months and thereafter annually. This is because the action frees up as the seals bed-in in use and also because (if the door or frame incorporates cold smoke seals - brush or rubber wiper type) the cold smoke seals also change in stiffness and crush down a bit in use (causing a change in the level of closing resistance). Bedding-in of the seals occurs continuously throughout the life of the closer until the seals either wear out or the valves do

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cheers for that j&k

i should imagine a medium duty would do the job really. no need for a super expensive model.

just not a screwfix special.

i didnt know that about keeping a check on closing speeds after so long.

the closer deffo looks like its slightly off. i guess it would still work and has probably been on there for 15 or 20 years maybe.


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I am a frequent user of the Briton 2003V.
It's a good allrounder and fully adjustable.

It's about £55 in Screwfix so not the cheapest, but works well for pub loo doors, i.e. lots of use.

I find that Screwfix is generally fairly good on prices for closers.

As you may know already, it's the quality of the installation that counts the most with these things.


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