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JULES110205
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 Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Distemper |
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Hi all
im not a brilliant diy person and have recently moved into my new house, i have began painting the rooms, my bedroom took 3 coats of white paint! ny daughter room i painted pink, this looks like it could need a another coat but cuse its so bright is not noticble, i have now painted the living room in an oatmeal colour and like my room after one coat the magnolia colour is showing through, my mum has since been upto see me and has informed me the walls have been painted with distemper!
i have researched this on the net and found u need to wash it off or use some sort of primer to fix it, i have obvisoulsy already started painting and only have the hall and kitchen to do, does anyone know if painting over distemper with a silk emulsion is going to cause me problems? and if so what, how long and what can i do now i have painted over it?
sorry its a long one!
any help would be appreciated! |
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paintycait
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Distemper would make your paint bubble and/or flake and peel. I should qualify that - I mean poor quality or unstable distemper will make your paint do that.
It doesn't sound like your paint is doing that.
I sounds like you have bought at the budget end of the market with either paint or tools and that the application of the paint is poor....sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but you did say you were new at this and I am just making a stab at diagnosis on only a very little info.
Vinyl silk doesn't cover as well as vinyl matt, the cheaper the paint the poorer the coverage...as a rule. If you then add in your inexperience, maybe a cheap roller and brush...chances are it will be looking a bit patchy.
If you do have distemper and your paint is having a problem with adhesion then you do have a problem that needs sorting. Not insurmountable but one that won't go away. There are solutions so worry not. Just come back and give us a bit more info.
What brand paint, what kind of tools, what preparation did you do? Apart from it not covering very well, any other things happening?
Cait
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paintycait
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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BTW One coat of vinyl silk would probably not be enough for most silk finishes
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JULES110205
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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hi thanks for ur reply, i thought it was cause i was using cheaper paint, i have brought wilkinsons own tho it was £10 a tub so not exactly cheap, the rollers and bruses were standard range not cheapest not most expensive, my mum does seem to think it is distemper as when u wipe at the surface with a wet cloth the paint comes off on the cloth and it is very chalky, apparantly these are signs of distemper, i did not prep the wall as i thought it was just straight forward magnolia paint and the house is fairly new, i know it was rented thro a letting agent before i brought it, so figured they had decorated and i could just go over with the colours i chose!
like i said i know nothing of decorating so maybe that was a mistake, all i know is as u roller onto the surface the magnolia colour under neath just comes straight through
pls if there is a remedy or if it is my decorating skills let me know its driving me mad!!! |
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Hoovie
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Jules, welcome to the Forum 
As you read many of the posts on painting and decorating, you will see that the people really in the know about painting, like cait and a substantial number of other pros and experienced DIYers always seem to stick to branded paints as they can always be relied on.
Cheap paint (and Wilkinsons at £10 a tub (10 litres?) really does fall into that) is false economy as you either have to spend ages compensating for its quaility or using a lot more then you expected as it is so thin - which is both frustrating and dishearting
Personally, I only buy Dulux for walls now as it is so reliable and better then the own-brands by far.
Stick at it and I am sure you will get your house looking good with the help of the guys here 
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JULES110205
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah it wasnt a 10l tub it was 2.5l for 10.00 so to me that was not far off duluxe price, i still have the hall and kitchen left to do, i have brought the same paint but special for the kitchen to paint that room and also in a matt finish, do u think this may work better or should i take it back and swap for dulux? |
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Hoovie
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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£10 for 2.5L is not cheap by any means, you are quite right - when you said tub, I pictured one of those mega buckets of emulsion 
I'm a DIYer so more qualified peeps will give you the best advice, but IMO, at that price, I would return unopened tins for a refund and get a top brand instead.
There are mixed opinions about the "kitchen paint" as well, would you believe 
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paintycait
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If the paint beneath your paint wiped off on a cloth it certainly sounds friable and chalky. This might not be distemper but it sounds like there is a problem.
The product that would solve your problem would be Gardz
http://www.zinsser.com/product_detail.asp?ProductID=27
This penetrates and binds back chalky water based products. It will penetrate through multiple layers of water based although I have only ever used it over old paints and compounds not new ones. I have only ever used this product as part of the prep, so you might want to call Zinsser UK and check that they do endorse it.
Tel: 01937 584411
Doing a bit of basic prep will so often save time and money instead of costing you. If you had washed down the walls with sugar soap before you started then you might have saved a bit of angst and quite a lot of material...something for future painting projects.
I don't know your paint brand. I would always buy trade brands..that say trade on them.
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bobbie-dazzler
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The way you describe the painting doesnt sound like distemper to me, you would soon know as soon as you start to paint, as the distemeper would flake onto your roller and you would have white flakey bits over the place.
I think the paint is too thin, and going over magnolia even with an oatmeal colour, one coat would not cover it anyway, you would have to do 2 coats.
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54aardvark
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Could the emulsion possibly be frost damaged or out of date?
Had a similar problem with coverage many years ago when I accepted the paint provided by client, walls were sound, paint looked OK but didn't smell quite normal. On application opacity was virtually nil so queried it with client - she'd kept the paint for two years in a less than weatherproof shed! Bought some new stuff, same brand and it went on fine. |
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JULES110205
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| thanks guys having read ur replies the magnolia is defiantely not flaking away so hopefully it is not distemper, i am doing the 2nd coat today to the livng room and am buying the matt version for the hall, hopefully this will prove better! if not then im gonna pull my hair out! lol!!! wish i had never started lol!!! |
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Welsh Decorator
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Could be the cheep distemper, and not the better Cassin bound stuff, which holds together better, but painty's stuff will do the job with little or no trouble.
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JULES110205
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: |
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just wanted to say thanks all for your replies, iput the 2nd coat on in the living room and it has gone on a dream, so i think it was the silk finish, i have started the hallway in matt and have to say it seems to be going on much better, still requires 2 coats tho!
thanks god it was not anything serious!!! |
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paintycait
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Glad it's worked out ...you are always better to apply 2 coats of wall paint unless it is just a freshen up. It will wear better for a start.
54 if the paint is frost damaged it usually smells really funky monkey...bleurgh
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