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Hi,

Can anyone please identify the model of this DeVilbiss industrial airless paint sprayer? I emailed DeVilbiss enquiring if they could help or sell me a manual but no reply to date. I'd like to obtain a user manual and am willing to pay. I'm currently tidying up this sprayer before using it and have removed the capacitor cover and fan cover. It is both 110V and 240V selected by a switch on the side of the terminal box. It's an old sprayer but in its day would have been top quality and expensive. One of the capacitors is marked 40uF 296VAC 60Hz which will be the 110V cap the second cap isn't marked but I assume this will be the 240V 50Hz?

When I collected it the guy ran it for me and when I asked if it was 240V he replied it is both 240V and 110V demonstrating by turning the switch and instantly the pump cut out; he had turned the switch to 110V and it blew the 13A fuse. With a replacement fuse installed it worked again although I've not tried putting anything through it yet. I was surprised by how heavy this sprayer is with its substantial wheeled trolley; it took two of us to load and unload it in the car. The handle folds down.

The reason I bought it is that we live in a large detached bungalow with lots of exterior woodwork; every four years or so I go to town painting the exterior and it takes me at least six full weeks of hard graft. For a few years I've considered buying an airless sprayer but the price of a decent unit wasn't justified. If this sprayer works as expected I've got a genuine bargain having paid £200 cash for it and it will more than pay for itself in one job; I'm retired so the sprayer is for personal use only around home.

I have three compressors including a 3HP twin cylinder model; I have plenty of experience through spraying cars and machines using LVHP spray guns which I detest given the fog and wasted paint; I then switched to HVLP and what an improvement but I didn't want to cart the big compressor around with the deafening racket it makes or use a spray gun with a cup whether gravity or suction; I'm sure once I get set up with this DeVilbiss I'll find it perfect because it can spray upside down if needed unlike a gun with a cup attached? This DeVilbiss is very quiet indeed compared to the compressor.

I'd like to know where the filters are located; this type of sprayer is totally new to me so any help or suggestions will be very much appreciated. I've already browsed the forum looking at airless sprayer threads which are most interesting. I'll use Glycol antifreeze for when I store it.

Kind regards, Col.

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Blimey, it looks like a starter for a Messerschmidt 262 :lol:

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Hi,

Thanks DWD, It might be because I've not tried putting paint through it yet in fact its about the same size as a Messerschmitt 3 wheeler?

I hope I don't dim the street lights when I fire it up.

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Hi,

I haven't found any information out regarding this sprayer but I'm now well into tidying it up. I intended to give the sprayer a quick makeover but as I started to remove the dirt and old paint many parts were inaccessible so out came the spanners and now the sprayer is stripped down.

Whilst I had the motor on the bench I thought I would double check it having heard it run when I collected the sprayer? The motor sounded rough on the bench and sure enough as I rotated the motor shaft by hand the bearings left a lot to be desired; this surprised me because when I first heard it under power it didn't sound too bad? The pile of sprayer parts started to grow because now I pulled the motor apart and was amazed by what I found. Attached to the outer race of the non drive end bearing appeared to be welded a single small ball bearing and on the opposite side of the bearing was an even smaller single ball bearing but this time on the inner race?

I've worked in mechanical engineering for the last 50 years but never seen anything like this previously. A new pair of FAG 6203Z double metal shielded bearings cost me £9 and were installed; the motor now runs sweetly.A new mains lead has been installed.

I've now re-sprayed both the motor and pump using cellulose etching primer and cream white top coat. The paint was blown on with my LVLP gun and compressor. I recently bought this gun and it is of a type I've never heard of being low volume low pressure; once adjusted it worked a treat and over-spray was minimal.

This morning I've removed the trolley wheels and brought the trolley ready to spray so hopefully it won't be long before I've got a tidy sprayer. I need to buy a new short high pressure hose but when I checked the main filter I found it to be clean so I'm finding my way around this sprayer as I work. I enjoy restoring my tools as much as I enjoy using them.

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wow!!!

that looks amazing - bet it will look better than when it was first made, very impressed.

Should make for a reliable and nice looking tool when it's done - you just need to figure out what to do with all your free time once you've painted the bungalow! :lol:

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Hi,

Many thanks for your kind comments BG. The sprayer should look decent once completed and be a welcome addition to my workshop. I had some RAL 9001 cream/white left over from other projects so used it up on this sprayer; not enough to do the entire sprayer but I had some black cellulose to finish the job off with. I've just come out of the garage where I sprayed the trolley firstly in cellulose etching primer and then top coated in the black; I like using cellulose because I can complete the undercoating and top coating easily on a decent sunny day as it is today. All the trolley was chrome plated when new but over the years the chrome has become heavily pitted in places with rust which is a pity. For my home use this sprayer should last forever. I can't take decent pictures because of the brilliant sunlight; I'll add more once the sprayer is assembled.

I took early retirement in 2000 aged 53 which abruptly stopped any free time I had and recently I've been replacing double glazing units to our bungalow front working up to 14 hour days; I never need a bedtime story to get to sleep; I just drop off into a coma. I'm never bored and there are always jobs demanding my attention but I'm not complaining because I save a fortune doing all these jobs on my own.

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Hi,

I haven't found any information out regarding this sprayer but I'm now well into tidying it up. I intended to give the sprayer a quick makeover but as I started to remove the dirt and old paint many parts were inaccessible so out came the spanners and now the sprayer is stripped down.

Whilst I had the motor on the bench I thought I would double check it having heard it run when I collected the sprayer? The motor sounded rough on the bench and sure enough as I rotated the motor shaft by hand the bearings left a lot to be desired; this surprised me because when I first heard it under power it didn't sound too bad? The pile of sprayer parts started to grow because now I pulled the motor apart and was amazed by what I found. Attached to the outer race of the non drive end bearing appeared to be welded a single small ball bearing and on the opposite side of the bearing was an even smaller single ball bearing but this time on the inner race?

I've worked in mechanical engineering for the last 50 years but never seen anything like this previously. A new pair of FAG 6203Z double metal shielded bearings cost me £9 and were installed; the motor now runs sweetly.A new mains lead has been installed.

I've now re-sprayed both the motor and pump using cellulose etching primer and cream white top coat. The paint was blown on with my LVLP gun and compressor. I recently bought this gun and it is of a type I've never heard of being low volume low pressure; once adjusted it worked a treat and over-spray was minimal.

This morning I've removed the trolley wheels and brought the trolley ready to spray so hopefully it won't be long before I've got a tidy sprayer. I need to buy a new short high pressure hose but when I checked the main filter I found it to be clean so I'm finding my way around this sprayer as I work. I enjoy restoring my tools as much as I enjoy using them.

Kind regards, Col.

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Hard to believe it's the same machine...

You obviously take pride in doing a job properly.. :thumbleft:

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Hi,

Many thanks wine~o for your kind comments. Yes I do take a lot of pride in doing a job to the best of my ability and this at times unfortunately cause me lots of grief. As an example please read the following story which I'm sure many members can relate to.

Whilst working on the this sprayer I found a short high pressure hose which had been tampered with rendering it no longer high pressure; the correct HP fitting had been removed from one end and the coupling made by a common jubilee clip? I think this hose is in such a position on the sprayer that it isn't on the high pressure side but me being me and looking at this bodge job it doesn't sit well with me so I'll sort it out? Yesterday armed with the hose I drove over to Thomas Wright's here in Huddersfield; the guy on the counter said sorry we can't supply anything like that at all but if you drive over to this guy he will make one up for you and he kindly gave me directions.

Off I went driving at the usual Huddersfield snail pace with all the traffic lights at amber/red; traffic calming and road works; I knew roughly where this guy was located but took a wrong turning ending up in a bomb site; the steep road was cobbles and I could have dropped the car into some of the holes never to be seen again; our new Fabia Monte Carlo has alloys fitted with very low profile tyres and I was extremely worried about causing damage to the car; as I leveled out I drove very slowly past a number of industrial units (old derelict mill); two guys were standing by a car so I stopped and asked for help. You've taken the wrong turning; take the next left. So off I went again and the second turning was equally as bad as the first turning but for fun this time a humped back bridge was thrown in for my enjoyment. I won't mention the company by name but I very slowly drove around all the units avoiding the bomb craters best I could and there was no sign of this company at all in fact many of the industrial units didn't have any signs at all just blank doors? Once again I stopped the car and made inquiries; you need that blue door just past the burglar alarm; if the shutter is up he will be in? The shutter was indeed up but the place was dead. Not to be beaten I pulled out my cheap mobile phone and dialed the number shown above the door; the phone appeared to be dead so I climbed into the car where it was quiet but again the phone didn't connect; the number was easy enough to remember so I set off back home feeling totally frustrated.

On the way home I visited Crown Auto Centre where I'm a regular customer and asked if he knew where I could get one of these hoses made up? There's a place in Ravensthorpe which makes up hoses but he couldn't remember the name? Back at home I browsed the web and found the Ravensthorpe site but it looked as though they sold the pipe and fittings with no mention of making pipes up to order?

A bit more web browsing and I found a site with the same name I had been trying to visit at the bomb site but this time the address was different? Perhaps they have moved to new premises? I tried phoning from our land line but only got through to their answering machine. The website clearly stated open six full days a week 24 hours a day which is unusual these days so I thought given the site is less than ten miles away I'll pop over. Yesterday evening we suffered a thunder storm with torrential rain but I was in the car by 6:30 this morning heading out to have a new hose made up? The address was on the far side of Huddersfield which I'm unfamiliar with and it looked a pain to get to on Google maps. I entered the post code into our new Garmin SatNav and set off; within a few hundred yards the Garmin instructed me to turn right which was in the totally opposite direction I wanted to be going so I ignored it and head off in the correct direction; eventually the Garmin got its act together and I was diverted down country lanes; now well on my way; turn left which I did and I drove down a very narrow single track lane to end up in a private cul-de-sac; returning back to the real world I was on my way again.

At last I was very near my destination and as I followed the Garmin instructions I couldn't believe the website address was a council house in the center of a large council estate; yes it was the correct address and as I sat outside this house looking at the rough garden with lots of kids plastic toys on a street with cars parked both sides making it a single track I thought at this point if I tried to shoot myself I would surely miss? It's hard to believe such places still exist these days in the UK; the public phone box had been destroyed by vandals leaving shattered glass everywhere; I thought thankfully all I need is a hose to make my life happy; how would I feel if I had to live here?

Anyway I still need a hose and I'm more determined than ever to obtain one; I'm too thick to quit and to simply re-install the old hose? Before retirement I would have popped into the works maintenance department and obtained a new hose without drama or fuss but now so many places have closed it's becoming increasingly difficult to obtain anything other than fast food which I don't touch.

Another job I want to sort out on this sprayer is to remove the thick build up of paint on the trolley tyres as seen in the picture; I've tried paint stripper which I'm worried will attack the rubber so have resorted to more manual methods of removing the paint; I've tried scraping; chiseling; using a Stanley shoulder plane and am currently having a bit of success using a detail sander with a 60G pad fitted; I will eventually succeed whatever obstacles are thrown at me; the harder things become the more stubborn I get. I think I'll ask Bron if she would like a trip out in the car; Ravensthorpe isn't too far away and who knows where we'll end up but it's not boring?

Kind regards, Col.

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I don't know if they can help, but have you tried a company called Pirtek? I am nothing to do with them but they are next door to a place I visit, and they supply hoses for all sorts of hydraulic things.

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Hi,

Many thanks someone-else for taking the trouble to suggest Pirtek which looks like a top class company and should be able to easily supply the hose I need; I've now bookmarked Pirtek in case I get stuck. I've found two hose suppliers near home emailing one in Sowerby Bridge asking if they have a trade counter and the second I can visit on Monday as the company is based in Bradford so a bit nearer. If I deal locally I can take along the old hose for matching. I'll update the story as it unfolds.

In the meantime I've had some success with removing the paint from the trolley tyres. This was a real headache of a job and I tried lots of ways without success then I wondered if a wire brush would work? I mounted the 6" dia wire brush into my double ended grinder (the grinder is another machine I restored) and removed the tool rest. I was amazed as I watched the paint and some rubber come away as a stream of very fine dust; I was wearing a dust mask which is a must given the amount of dust created covering everything; at first it was easy but then my arms began to tire; the wheels became heavier as the job progressed; I knocked off for dinner then after a dinner I was fully charged once again and completed the paint removal. The steel wheels were rubbed down using a UPOL abrasive pad then once dusted off the wheels were given a coat of Paragon machinery enamel. I wanted to spray the wheels but the masking tape didn't like being attached to the tyres so rather than waste more time I brush applied the enamel. A second coat will be applied tomorrow then once this dries I can re-assemble the sprayer and try it out blasting water through it. The wire brush removed some rubber but it was worth it to get rid of the thick paint quickly.

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Hi,

Many thanks once again someone-else; I looked at Pirtek website again and found Pirtek have lots of branches including one nearby in Wakefield so I visited this morning and bought the required hose; not cheap at £30 but considering all new parts were used and the hose was made up in ten minutes whilst I waited I'm not grumbling because these days £30 doesn't buy much.

The sprayer is now fully re-assembled and looking much better than when I bought it. The large filter cleaned up nicely and the new hose is installed. I've just tried to blow water through the sprayer but it doesn't want to prime which is rather frustrating after all the work I've just carried out on it; there are lots of YouTube videos showing how to get an awkward airless sprayer to prime so hopefully it won't be long before the sprayer is fully working; I knocked off just in time putting the car away before the heavy rain came down and now it's brilliant sunshine; what a climate?

I'm surprised by how quietly this sprayer runs compared to my 3HP compressor which makes such a racket.

I couldn't have settled with the sprayer looking the way it did amongst my other restored kit so now I'm happy that it fits in nicely and will be an asset to my workshop; it's obviously an over kill buying this sprayer just to paint our detached bungalow but if I can get it to prime and spray it should last forever given the little use I'll put it to. I hope this has been of interest.

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:dunno: I have no idea how to prime that unit...

From your posts so far I'm sure you will figure it out... :thumbleft:

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Hi,

Thanks for your reply wine~o. I think the problem is due to my ignorance of the subject of airless paint sprayers but I'm a fast learner. I had already seen an excellent YouTube video showing how to prime a reluctant sprayer so back tracked this afternoon and found the video again so tomorrow I'll give Chris's suggestions a try out.



[youtube]https://YouTube/watch?v=UCN1BkLtLPA[/youtube]

The sprayer is running OK and sounds sweet enough; the controls are strange to me with the various valves so I need to experiment a bit more; I've come thus far so have no intention of quitting yet.

I hope I've added the YouTube video OK?

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Hi,

Many thanks moderator2 for your help. I copied and pasted the YouTube link; your link works but mine doesn't. Yes its the correct video but so far for me it hasn't helped. I've just been playing around with the sprayer which still refuses to prime; one of the control knobs is missing so this poses a problem and I think it is the knob that sets either prime or paint; I've tried turning the spindle to lots of positions using pliers and I've also removed the intake hose as shown in the video to expose the ball valve; my sprayer doesn't have such a ball valve but I can see the end of the piston which appears to be working correctly also in the bottom elbow is a plastic valve which appears to be seating OK and is free so I think its a case of more playing around trying to prime it? Life would be so boring without all this frustration.

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