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 Post subject: Crown White OB Gloss
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Not often I use OB white, but tried Crown gloss yesterday and noticed something odd.

Crown gets cited as staying white the longest, but when you see this stuff next to a white undercoat, there is a slight moss green tinge to it. Dulux OB white gloss used to be ever so slightly grey, but that may have simply been a drop of black tint to aid opacity, but I wonder if Crown have hit on something colour-wise to retard yellowing.

Anyone else noticed this?

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You could see a difference in shade by the end of the day right enough. I'd love to know the chemistry of this stuff.

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I'm using the next gen stuff at the moment. Goes on green, drys white, but is greyer than some brands.

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It's the reason why it doesn't say brilliant white on the tins, just 'white'. Great stuff though, and believe me it does stay white for years.



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Is this the Trade or Retail version?


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Trade. It does start off unnervingly sage green, but does dry back. It is also one of the best to apply, as is their solvent based U/C, the stuff just glides on.



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ian gibson wrote:
It's the reason why it doesn't say brilliant white on the tins, just 'white'. Great stuff though, and believe me it does stay white for years.
Agreed. Very good stuff

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I'm a wee bit tempted to use it again, as it goes on really nicely. The OB satin also gets well reviewed, and I'm wondering if it may be a viable alternative to the WB offerings.

It's a bit of a dilemma actually, as so many of us have become used to acrylics, there's a sense of somehow going backwards with this. That said, if the drying times are OK and it does indeed stay white, then there may be a good case for using it. It feels a bit counter-intuitive using oil, but that's just a knee-jerk to the last few years I suppose. It seems an incomplete view to not adopt what works after all.

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I look at it like this, in 2010 they took something perfect and ruined it, that really p*ssed me off and despite how good some of the acrylics have got, they will never beat the pre 2010 oils in terms of finish and labour time (extra coats). However, as has been mentioned, the recent oils have come a lot better and crown next gen trade undercoat, satin and gloss are almost near to how it was and, in my opinion, they are easier to use and give a better finish than the acrylics.



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I'm a wee bit tempted to use it again, as it goes on really nicely. The OB satin also gets well reviewed, and I'm wondering if it may be a viable alternative to the WB offerings.

It's a bit of a dilemma actually, as so many of us have become used to acrylics, there's a sense of somehow going backwards with this. That said, if the drying times are OK and it does indeed stay white, then there may be a good case for using it. It feels a bit counter-intuitive using oil, but that's just a knee-jerk to the last few years I suppose. It seems an incomplete view to not adopt what works after all.
I'm with you. I'm doing a hallway at the moment. All new eggbox panelled doors to paint both sides, and 8 frames.

I painted the woodwork in next gen last time and it still looked quite fresh, so using it again over Jonos Aqua.

I think it's a case of picking your jobs mate.

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fitzy wrote:
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I'm a wee bit tempted to use it again, as it goes on really nicely. The OB satin also gets well reviewed, and I'm wondering if it may be a viable alternative to the WB offerings.

It's a bit of a dilemma actually, as so many of us have become used to acrylics, there's a sense of somehow going backwards with this. That said, if the drying times are OK and it does indeed stay white, then there may be a good case for using it. It feels a bit counter-intuitive using oil, but that's just a knee-jerk to the last few years I suppose. It seems an incomplete view to not adopt what works after all.
I'm with you. I'm doing a hallway at the moment. All new eggbox panelled doors to paint both sides, and 8 frames.

I painted the woodwork in next gen last time and it still looked quite fresh, so using it again over Jonos Aqua.

I think it's a case of picking your jobs mate.

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Definitely this. If your doing new work then you can't beat oil undercoat, it acts as a grain filler, which acrylics don't do. One thing about acrylics is, although touch dry in an hour or so, the full cure time takes ages, one lad told me he'd used armstead acrylic gloss on one job and the window boards were still tacky after a week!


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You better update your sticky on the front page Dyna. :thumbleft:


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As much as it pains me to say this, but if a manufacturer has resolved or found a workaround for yellowing I feel they should be commended for it. So many white oils which were apparently 'New & Improved', simply didn't work, and so if Crown have finally cracked this problem, then at least it gives people, especially decorators, the option of using an oil finish that seems to work.

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Choice is good, but for how long???

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