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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:16 pm 
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Can someone please elaborate on the possible type of construction of this style of house please?

I assume it would be brick all the way up, but underneath the bottom of the render I can just see a polythene sheet, and one of the internal walls has a large hollow sound to it......

Would this be timber on the outer leaf and block on the inner leaf, or could it be block both inner and outer from the first floor up?

In the roof the two gable walls are white block. All the timber in the roof is about 30x70mm.

Built 1976....

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It could be a timber frame as they were common in the 60's and 70's. There was a lot of hooh hah about rotting and no fire breaks at the time and they gave way to a return to traditional block and brick construction. If it is this construction method see http://www.1stassociated.co.uk/1970s-mo ... erties.asp the bit on 1970's shows the construction method.

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Bought.

The survey says "masonry cavity external walls with painted render above first floor level".

It was a structural engineer not a surveyor.

If it was, would it be block internals and wood outer?

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Hmm, that statement does sound a little confusing as no mention is made of the inner leaf of the cavity. I should not worry too much about it, I think there was a lot of fuss made at the time and it was more a case of give a dog a bad name and hang it. I remember the TV programme that did for it and it showed soaking wet timber frames being used and inadequate fire breaks. Quite frankly the fire breaks are more important on linked houses and yours is detached. If you want to check have a look in the attic where the roof joins the main external walls. You can usually see the cavity wall construction.

Do not worry about it, there are loads of stories that will worry you but you would smell any rot if there was problem.

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Where abouts in the UK are you? Timber frame isn't common in England but is north of the border.
Even if it is timber frame I wouldn't have any concerns. If there were issues with rot, as has been said already, you'd know by the smell.

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Hi.

Thanks for the assurance. Means a lot.

The survey mentions external walls and internal walls so I think "masonry" refers to both leaves (sic?) of the outer walls.

Located in Essex.

Is there any way to tell without actually looking (I will look in the loft but won't there e a wall plate? What am I looking for?)? That link mentions shallow roofs and this house doesn't have one. Are there any telltale signs?

And if it was timber, is it possible that it's block work on the inner upstairs anyway, so the timber was more for the cladding/render? Otherwise the inside would be plasterboard, correct? It's not plasterboard upstairs for sure.

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mick.mh2racing wrote:
Where abouts in the UK are you?


OP's profile says "Sunny Southend" :huray:


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Thanks again.

It was a building company called Wiggins. Two identical houses next to each other and then all different houses all around. I've asked next door if they know but to no avail. They did say the coating (render) was some experimental thing the company were trying.

Most external walls do feel and sound solid, but I'm no expert. Perhaps there is just a large area that isn't and I'm focusing all my attention to that!

I will take off some sockets tonight thanks. Most sockets and switches are internal but there are a couple on the outside. All the internal walls are hollow (and non-load bearing according to the survey).

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You'd be able to tell by the sound when you knocked it if it was timber or breeze I'd have thought. Breeze will sound solid and timber would sound more hollow.

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All sounds and feels solid. I strongly suspect it's block work on most of the inner leaf. It's the outer leaf I can't (yet) see. I had another house that partly clad in tiles and that has on a timber frame with a breeze block inner leaf.

It's the polythene I can partly see between the brick and the bellcast bead for the render that made me concerned it was timber underneath.....


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For either block or timber there'd be no need for polythene, I hear what you say about the bead.
Was going to have another look at your photos but they've gone!

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