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bubble502
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 Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: Conservatory and moving a manhole |
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We're in the process of getting a conservatory built and the builders are moving a manhole cover for us. They've sealed the old on and will put a new manhole a few feet away and dig down in line with the pipes.
They've said we don't need building regs or anything to do it as it's a simple job for them. Are they correct as I thought you'd need building regs or some type of permission to move a manhole?
Seems to have 3 pipes coming into it, neighbours, waste and rain water then has 1 pipe going away. It was about 5 feet down |
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leebwk
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Hi Bubble,
The whole idea of having a manhole is to be able to inspect/access to the junctions in the pipework in case there is a problem, if your builders are moving the branches and junctions to the new manhole then there should not be a problem, but if there just digging down and exposing the pipe run then you may well have a problem.
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gday2uk
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| I think you'll find any new drainage work is subject to building regs. When you say 'sealed' do you mean permanently or just with a manhole cover that screws down with a seal that is still accessible? |
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Gadget
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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If you are moving the manhole then you will have to inform building control as they will want to see any alterations to the drainage!
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Gadget
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| If you are moving the manhole then you will have to inform building control as they will want to see any alterations to the drainage! |
PS, and you or the builder will have to pay for that privilage, and the last time I altered any drains the fee was £100!
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bubble502
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| leebwk wrote: |
| but if there just digging down and exposing the pipe run then you may well have a problem. |
this is what they're doing
what do people suggest i do as i've quized them a few times and each time they say you don't need building regs. i just feel that if anything happens a few years down the line i'll be liable
should i ring the local council to get someone to check it? they're already put bricks upto the drawf wall and the cement floor in so the onlyy way to get to where the manhole was would be to break it all up |
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thescruff
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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I think you should have a chat with the building office, as an if I wanted to do this what should I do and need.
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bubble502
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Well it seems that the builders were correct. I've just come off the phone from the building regs people from my local council and gave them my address and they looked up on the plans and to move the manhole you do NOT need building regs. You only need building regs if it's a public sewer and united utilities would have to do it.
I told them that our waste pipe and rain water pipe go into it and they said that's fine to get on with it  |
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thescruff
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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It puts your mind at rest if nothing else then.
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Gadget
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: |
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It seems I was robbed then, the $astards charged me £100 to come out and inspect it!.. 
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bubble502
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| Gadget wrote: |
| It seems I was robbed then, the $astards charged me £100 to come out and inspect it!.. |
If it was a public sewer then you do need building regs but if it's a private one then there's no need according to the local building regs office
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Gadget
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Actually, it was the customer who paid (upfront) and not myself, so my tears are crocodile tears!...
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leebwk
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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As i said moving a manhole away from the junctions and just exposing the pipe run is pointless unless they are moving the junctions with it, the whole idea is to be able to access and clear blockages when they occur which 9 times out of 10 occur in manholes at junctions
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thescruff
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| leebwk wrote: |
| As i said moving a manhole away from the junctions and just exposing the pipe run is pointless unless they are moving the junctions with it, the whole idea is to be able to access and clear blockages when they occur which 9 times out of 10 occur in manholes at junctions |
Have to admit I would be happier if they had raised and fitted a sealed cover in the finished floor, at least you could get to it in an emergency.
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