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I don't know if I have come late or early to these things, but I am well impressed

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This one has an additional gizmo you can add to the clamp to make it lock at 90 degrees

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So if you want a 90 degree cross cut on a plank you don't need to draw a line you can just set the rail to a point on the plank and it will do the 90 degrees bit for you.

I have a track saw but opt for this and my mini circular saw as my track saw seems to be a bit slippy. (Just the Parkside one.) A nice light weight option if you don't want to use a sliding chop saw or if like me you don't even have one.

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A guy on the dewalt/festool Facebook pages has invented a guide that goes with the plunge saw rails enabling fast 90 degree cutting of sheet materials that is 100% accurate. Everyone that’s bought one raves about this gadget and how much of a timesaver it is and how accurate it is.

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They worked wonders for me when I was building my own wardrobes and cutting oak laminated panels. Don't have a rail saw so need to be careful with the circular saw


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Regarding your parkside track, I also find mine a little slippy compared to my festool track. I picked up a pair of track clamps and I use them all the time now, not only do they solve the slipping issue but they give me a lot more confidence.


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That's a good idea, which clamps do you have?

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stopped using them about ten years ago when i got my first track saw :lol: :lol:
no good on much less than 9mm material as they will curve the board up under enough pressure to clamp on the edge

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Puma wrote:
That's a good idea, which clamps do you have?



I happen to have a pair of the festool F-style clamps. There are many to choose from though and they all do the same thing pretty much. I went with the festool for a couple of reasons. If you are handy it isn't difficult to make your own either, lots of people mod irwin quick grips type clamps.

1. They were the cheapest, I paid about £15 for 2 clamps at the time.
2. I wasn't sure how much I would use them so wanted something cheap and versatile and sturdy, which they are.
3. They are not track exclusive, they still function as normal f-clamps
4. They are compatible with MFT style clamping tables and will fit in the holes on a B&D workmate.
5. I went with the smallest size but they do them in a huge size range, much bigger clamping capacity than other styles.


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Thanks. I'll look into those.

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Allo Wino - the pics were working on my computer yesterday - but not today! Anyhow they were just pictures you can get to via the link I posted. Cheers

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steviejoiner74 wrote:
A guy on the dewalt/festool Facebook pages has invented a guide that goes with the plunge saw rails enabling fast 90 degree cutting of sheet materials that is 100% accurate. Everyone that’s bought one raves about this gadget and how much of a timesaver it is and how accurate it is.

Probably the TSO GRS-16, which is the one being touted on the FOG (Festool Owners Group) - Axminster started selling them at over £200 but have now dropped down to just over £180.

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Above: TSO GRS-16. TSO also make a square which can be used at the far end of the rail, although for the life of me I can't imagine why you'd need to do that (or have two guides)
Below: Insta Rail Square

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The argument is that the TSO people invented them so it's unfair that outfits like the Canadian guys who make a cheaper "version" called an Insta Rail Square are actually stealing the ideas of an American firm (who, incidentally, haven't patented the idea - possibly because they can't?).

There have been and are others, though. Woodpecker made a one-off run Tracksquare for a while (at just under $100), although I reckon the method of attachment to the rail is wrong and will get sloppy over time (other designs pull-up against the profile on the top which is far less likely to have that happen)

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Above: Woodpecker Track Square
Below: Palette-370 Rail Square in Festool green. Also available in Makita blue

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and there's inevitably now a much cheaper model on eBay called the Palette-370 and available in Festool green (see above) or Makita blue for about £54 delivered That is the sort of price something like this should be going out for, despite what the talking heads with more money than sense (seemingly, at times) over at FOG think. As it happens these were the same guys who commented that the Woodpecker item at $100 was overpriced whereas the TSO item at $170 is just dandy :wtf: Anyway I've ordered one (a Palette, that is) and I'll publish a review after I've test driven it in a real world situation, out on site, in a couple of weeks time

You could, of course, make your own, which is what one FOG user did (follow the link and scroll down to a post by Eden1415):

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Above: Home-made Rail Squaring Jig (from FOG)
Above: Festool FS-KS angle guide (combination bevel guide)

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Out of interest should you want to make your own, Festool (and other) rails use a 12 x 6mm steel bar for clamping

TBH I found out the hard way that the factory supplied (Festool) accessory is utter junk (I bought one - and they now cost circa £70) which flexes and tends to move and change angle all on its' own not to mention being too short to actually square a 1900mm rail in my experience. that made it useless for repeat squaring although it can be used to measure angles directly on the building/workpiece and cut without the need to do any intermediate work (so better than using a 9in sliding bevel potentially). Either way I think there is still a gap in the market for a better, affordable solution.

A note: If it's compatible with Festool rails it will also work with Makita, Metabo, GMC, Triton and Parkside rails, as well.

Not much of a clamp with rail user myself, although I did get a couple of Festool F-cramps a few years back which mainly seem to be used to clamp timber together.... but a rail square seems to be a good way to quickly do squaring cuts if you already have a rail saw and the rails - providing it doesn't cost the earth

Posted for the sake of completeness.

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I use my 12" speed/rafter square against the edge of my track on the rare occasion I need to do that kind of cut. Mostly though I am working to pencil lines.

Come to think of it, those cam/toggle type clamps are cheap to get, I bet you could bolt a pair onto a speed square and make your own.


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to be honest using a square is over complicating it quite a bit
you only ever need a tape on machine cut sheets
i always mark the tape and board then you automatically get an accurate transfer especially iff you are cutting several identical bits
i will check a part cut board after a few cuts to check for creeping error iff a very accurate cut is required but 99% off the time its within 2mm across the 1220

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I was always was too mean to pay out for a clamp system even though I thought that they were really good. I had always toyed with getting a plunge saw and rail system but never did. So for years I just used speed clamps and a piece of straight board to guide my circular saw and my router. It was laborious and required careful measurements to ensure accuracy. I think the last job I did was cutting a load of parallel grooves in MDF to simulate T&G and a clamp system would have been really useful. C'est La Vie.

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great thing about a track is
no or little splinter
from start to finish about 20-30 seconds two marks place and cut :huray:
non off this measurement add 4" mark lay clamp cut unclamp :lol:

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