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panlid
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| ski, ive got more tact than to point out your mistakes when you are happy with it. |
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skiking
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| panlid wrote: |
| ski, ive got more tact than to point out your mistakes when you are happy with it. |
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stevemastic
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: |
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I take it that will be student digs? 
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Tryanything
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| stevemastic wrote: |
| I take it that will be student digs? |
No family home, wife two sprogs
The chap works in IT sold his house, moved in with the outlaws
Bought this bungalow and been organising the loft conversion, extension and everything else for the last 18 months
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stevemastic
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: |
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 thats un real  he has shelled out loads for that
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panlid
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Tryanything wrote: |
| stevemastic wrote: |
| I take it that will be student digs? |
No family home, wife two sprogs
The chap works in IT sold his house, moved in with the outlaws
Bought this bungalow and been organising the loft conversion, extension and everything else for the last 18 months |
i dont see a problem as he works in IT  |
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Jaeger_S2k
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| panlid wrote: |
| Tryanything wrote: |
| stevemastic wrote: |
| I take it that will be student digs? |
No family home, wife two sprogs
The chap works in IT sold his house, moved in with the outlaws
Bought this bungalow and been organising the loft conversion, extension and everything else for the last 18 months |
i dont see a problem as he works in IT |
Can't be in 'Project Management' then?
Have to ( ) sadly agree with some of what panlid says.
Have been working on a 3 storey terraced house being converted into 3 apartments.
We were called for an urgent first fix to ground floor kitchen, we got there installed all pipe work and as I left I told the 'site manager' he could get the plasterers in to plaster the walls, he was shocked as he'd forgotten to ask them and the kitchen was fitted the following day. Plasterers plastered at the end of that week? but not behind our pipe runs for the boiler, 'Oh it'll be fine we're boxing them in'.
They did, 2 weeks before we fitted the boiler, we had to take it down as the pipe tails where inaccessible and the boxing was 9 inches too high.
Most recent, our Corgi man went to do the final connections and certify the gas installs, 2 floors fine and dandy, the top floor supply has a small leak. He can't find it and can't access some of the gas pipes. Why. Because they've laid Hardwood flooring in the kitchen, before the gas checks where done.
I'm going on Monday to find the leak and will have to lift the floor, actually they will have to lift the floor.
But why would the site manager allow that to happen?
They even tried to box in the supply pipes both water and gas before leak test had been done? Oh and were going to box them in, not make a cupboard, this is were the stop taps are, 30 minutes after I'd finished and the Utils company hadn't inspected. They all looked a little confused when I asked how the supply would be turned off if they box in the water stop tap?
They didn't but would have.
That's just a couple of issues we've had another was the tilers pushing towel warmer tails back to the wall when fitting floor tiles making it impossible to fit the towel warmer to them.
The site managers solution was to fit (end fed) elbows 
I refused and had slots diamond cut that could be grouted to allow the pipes forward. I think if the younger plumbers had been on site on their own they would have been pressured to fit the elbows. Who would have looked idiots?
The site manager or the plumbers?
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EJJ150847
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I agree with Panlid to some extent, I was a Project Manager for a big company supplying engineers on board warships. Trying to liaise with shipyard when the customer was a third party was difficult, if the yard ran late the sub-contractors were always to blame.
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Hitch
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Very true Panlid.
It takes a lot to get everyone working together and doing it right.
No ones interested in sorting out other peoples problems, just work round it.
Im on a job at the moment where the pipefitters put theire pipes in exactly the same spot my ducting was going. I had to re route mine. No im in theire way elsewhere, they will have to re route. Tough luck
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Telmay
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It always make me laugh and cringe at the same time, when you get one of these property developer shows and they think the project management is simply looking after the budget and buying a computer program and then wonder why its all goes wrong!
Can see the issues raised with process and project management, but that work cannot be excused.
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panlid
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| Telmay wrote: |
It always make me laugh and cringe at the same time, when you get one of these property developer shows and they think the project management is simply looking after the budget and buying a computer program and then wonder why its all goes wrong!
Can see the issues raised with process and project management, but that work cannot be excused.Been Busy Alan & Panny ? |
you are owed £1000 of the customer. all you have left is to fit the architrave to get paid but you cant finish because of the switch.
you ask them to move it.
3 weeks later still not moved.
architrave gets cut round! |
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Telmay
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| panlid wrote: |
| Telmay wrote: |
It always make me laugh and cringe at the same time, when you get one of these property developer shows and they think the project management is simply looking after the budget and buying a computer program and then wonder why its all goes wrong!
Can see the issues raised with process and project management, but that work cannot be excused.Been Busy Alan & Panny ? |
you are owed £1000 of the customer. all you have left is to fit the architrave to get paid but you cant finish because of the switch.
you ask them to move it.
3 weeks later still not moved.
architrave gets cut round! |
If that was the only issue I would agree with you, bits its not Panny, come on the whole job is crap! |
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panlid
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i agree.
but we only see 1 point in these pics.
eg. those walls are well pissed.
plasterer to customer....'what do you want, a skim or do you want me to straighten the walls out?
customer....'f*ck that, just make em smooth@
walls like these pics!
joiner.....'excuse me customer, these walls are well pissed, how do you want me to put the skirts on?'
customer....'i dont give a crap mate, just get em on as cheap as possible'
skirt like these pics!
im not saying this is the case here but in the real world it does happen.
some of you seem to have no grasp of these scenarios on sites and dont realise that time is money.
i am telling you all now that alot of jobs end up like this. ive seen countless and it is getting worse with the likes of Property Ladder telling everyone how easy it is.
i dont do any subcontracting to other builders but have been on enough jobs to see what people will put up with if its cheap enough.
who is to blame?
the tradesman that just whacks it in or the customer that doesnt want to pay to have it done perfect?
tight call.
if you can get away with not having to work for these customers then great but not everyone is in the fortunate position to turn work away.
hence to put 7" mdf skirting board in a standard lounge with bay i would charge something like £300 supply and fit.
the customer only wants to pay £150.
who is to blame for the dodgy work?
when i go to look at a job my heart sinks when the customer first mentions the word cheap.
i get out quick as i dont need to do it but i have had to do it quick and cheap in the past.
my gripe is that you all jump on pontificating yet few seem to have any understanding of how jobs can end up like this and put all the blame on the tradesman which sometimes is bullshit |
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izalarfin
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your condemning the plaster but that place looks to be all dot and dab and the only plaice I can fault him is the beads at the bay window,
were he should of flatten out the angle of the beads before fixing them,
if he was on a price would you of paid him extra to build out the walls with bonding before skimming.
I used to work sites and nobody cared how bad the block work was, no one could see it, if I moaned and asked for extra the answer was just get over it,
then when it was all render and set every body could see it, always the plaster's fault but why the hell should he / I pay to put other people work right,
just because the site agent was to scared to pull the brickies, chippies and window fitters up on there work.
If the first trades don't get it right how are those that follow, today's attitude is the next bloke will get over it, yer and pigs might fly. |
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