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Low smoke zero Halogen Cat 5e - £45:00 per box.
Low smoke zero Halogen Cat 6 - £63:00 per box.
A price differnce that is hardly going to the break the bank when wiring a house that would be future proofed for many years - if the user wants it that is.
You are right - the hardware may not be there yet and may never come, which is the main arguement on the Cat 6+ debate in commercial uses (but it is being installed).
You are however very wrong with regards to termination issues. A simple IDC or Krone tool, set of cutters and knife is fine. Most manufacturers are now making tool less solutions such as Brand Rexx who boast a 20 second termination time. And yes I like boasting too.
With regards to wether you are an idiot or not, I get the feeling that the majority of users on this forum agree with me.
Please feel free to post your qualifications with regards to recent infrastrucure installations and accreditations. I may get time to read your reply but I must keep an eye on this emulsion that I put on the walls earlier
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You're right, there was no need for me to point that out I'm sure most people have already recognised your attributes.

We all have an opinion. You're delusional if you really believe your contributions here have been both necessary and constructive.

You fly your flag however you wish but you should at least have the courtesy to recognise that in doing so you are not enlightening nor educating people in what they will ultimately do you are as many of your profession are shamefully doing is scare mongering.

Electricity and electrical wiring did NOT become more complicated by the introduction and policing of the abomination call Part P. You and you're fellow jump up super heroes are doing nothing to assist your profession or your professional standing.

My respect for electricity is as high as my respect for gas (which I've work with for more than 35 years) but you and your type earn nothing from me. Your spouting of regulations and certificates is far from constructive, to suggest that I require some button pusher to bring a box of £600 worth of electronics to tell me that what was OK is still OK is preposterous.

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Honestly Jaeger - it aint like shopping for a computer !
- call an NICEIC approved electrician to advise on this.


Ah one of your necessary and constructive comments.

No kidding Sherlock it's not like shopping for a computer, your right it's dealing with materials and feeds and lines that could KILL me!

Rest assured I can deal with the whole thing much easier now that I have your 'Constructive and Necessary' advice.

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btw my Username is seprim :|


Oops, your right my apologies but my spell checker keeps telling me to change it?

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You havent mentioned the prices of the patch panels or the testers either. Perhaps you should stop watching the emulsion dry and learn how to do a proper costing of cat6 not just the box of cable !


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.... and another thing........

After a 5 week long battle with a Building Inspector as helpful as you I finally got the agreement that YES I can do my own wiring, in THE KITCHEN!

OH YES! In the kitchen, which is a complete NEW circuit! And in the garage NEW circuit and in the utility NEW circuit.

And I've changed and extended the circuit in the lounge and added a NEW circuit.

I did actually have a visit from my appointed
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He inspected what I'd done we ran through what I was going to do and when asked if he'd like to see first fix was told "No! No need. You know what your doing. I don't need to see this and the only reason you'll need inspection is to get BC Certificate"

Now that's not because I'm a great at electrical installs, it's not because I'm a good at electrical installs it's because I followed sound, practical, helpful advice from both professionals and general tradesmen alike.

Thank sweet Jehovah it wasn't you eh?

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Well im glad u finally got it right :)
Cos if it had been me inspecting your work - and it could be next time ;) i'd have made sure you got it right too.

And dont think you have the richeous high ground over part P all electricians hate it because they have to get the building inspector to check work they have done on thier own homes.Yet they install electrics every day for others ! You think you are hard done by - you are not.


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You see your use of language causes issue.

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Suggests that I got it wrong, I didn't!

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Modular panels are £19:00 for 24 ports.
A box of 24 modules that will fit in both the panels and faceplates approx £72:00.
Faceplates and shutters - approx £2:00 combined.
Testers vary in price but you can hire the latest Fluke DTX for around £200:00 - or ask your friendly comms engineer friends for a borrow of one.
I cost approximately 20 jobs per month, ranging from small installs to data centre fit outs. I am also a specialist Home Network Installer, working closely with an award winning Home Cinema and automation installer.
I suggest that you go to Telcoms 07 on the 20th September to get up to speed with everything Seprim. It is the UK's largest infrastructure event and I am sure that many of the exhibitors will put you straight on your theories. Why not visit the Minitran stand who are currently the only company in the UK installing the Abitana Cat 7 home network solution and tell them about your Ferrari and Volvo comparison?
PS I showed your posts to 3 BICSI trained engineers today and they nearly pissed themselves.
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RS are notoriously expensive for cable so try Mayflex in Birmingham.
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It is the cable I install for the printing industry and is made by Belden. I think the Belden part code is 2424. They also do a media cable and a bonded Cat 6 cable.


Thanks - I was looking at exactly that cable a few nights ago. £300 for 300mtrs.

As for seprim hopefully ignoring him will cause him to go away.

Any company worth mentioning will not allow a system admin to design a 5000 socket installation. System admins swap tapes and watch the temperature gauges for comms rooms. He also cannot be a project manager as good use of the English language is a prerequisite.

Also a good PM is only usually moderately technical. Their main role is to persuade the real tech heads to understand the scope and review the detailed designs.

And he can be quiet until when he's delivered networks to the oil and petro-chem industry in Angola, Kuwait, Libya, Russia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, China, Korea and Indonesia, Then he can open his mouth again.

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Looks like he has disappeared anyway. If you are still looking for deals on infrastructure kit try -
www.minitran.co.uk
www.cableman.co.uk
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Whoo Hooo...Flames :angryfire:

But what about wireless broadand, wouldn't that be easier than cabling?

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Goblin,

Yes wireless is easier to install LOL, but since I've bitten the bullet and played with WLAN I've found it's performance to be less than brilliant.

Up until now, I've always likes wires so going wireless was a bit of an experiment and I still keep the work computer an this play computer on the wired LAN.

The wife's lappy and the PSP or on wireless.

Problems to date with wireless...

There are cold spots in the house where signal strength falls off very badly. Usually there are where you want to sit, like on the bog.

I have had problems authenticating devices until I selected a fixed channel instead of auto negotiate.

Throughput is not an issue as even the slower 5mbps still outstrips the actual ADSL link so WLAN is not the bottleneck

So the jury is out right now.

But looking forward the plan is to have a PS3 as a media hub and then I will be dragging large video and mp3 files around the house and for that only a gigabit LAN will do.

I know gigabit WLAN will turn up sooner or later but it'll take a while to settle down.

So that's why I'm still going to stick with copper.

All of the above is just my $0.02

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