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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:10 am 
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Another sad indicment of privatisation and outsourcing.

Unfortunately local government workers cannot build or maintain property at anything like the speed,budget or quality of private contractors. There is no profit in public sector work for these huge building contractors now either tho so it was inevitable carillon were going to go bust.


But the public sector/ prisons/schools and hospitals shouldn't be for profit anyway.

On that model you have to answer to shareholders first to ensure they receive their dividend before the customer.


But the jobs are tendered for and works have to be done on budget as close as possible.
The local councils simply can’t do this as the workers have zero incentive to produce a certain amount of work or do this on time.
On Tuesday 4 of us stripped an old tiled roof,removed the felt and softboard,resheeted,felted and battoned it in the snow.
2 fife council vans were but 100 yards away and because it was snowing they wouldn’t get out the van and were paid all day. Now this goes on a thousand fold every day across the country. They still get full pay and yet no work is done. Who’s accountable for that? The public coughers are being drained silly with this sort of thing.



Unionised and working on public money, at no point in the hierarchy does anyone lose out if the work is late, over priced or poor quality. Makes my blood boil.


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Unionised and working on public money, at no point in the hierarchy does anyone lose out if the work is late, over priced or poor quality. Makes my blood boil.


Much better on 0 hours contracts with self-employed status, no pension, no sickness ... We might as well get the 8 year olds to sweep the chimneys of the middle classes "log burners".


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Good news if your looking to buy a used van I suppose. Carillion must have owned or leased thousands of them. All will be up to sale soon.

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Unionised and working on public money, at no point in the hierarchy does anyone lose out if the work is late, over priced or poor quality. Makes my blood boil.


Much better on 0 hours contracts with self-employed status, no pension, no sickness ... We might as well get the 8 year olds to sweep the chimneys of the middle classes "log burners".


I never suggested we go that far. But how come Stevie was able to work and the council blokes couldn't?



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Unionised and working on public money, at no point in the hierarchy does anyone lose out if the work is late, over priced or poor quality. Makes my blood boil.


Much better on 0 hours contracts with self-employed status, no pension, no sickness ... We might as well get the 8 year olds to sweep the chimneys of the middle classes "log burners".


Jobs with guilt edge pensions,full sick pay and fantastic holidays within the public sector are fine within certain areas like the emergency services and nhs. However when you are running a council building services operation with a bottomless pit of tax payers money and no deadlines,no real productivity and over staffing then it’s an absolute recipe for disaster.

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Unionised and working on public money, at no point in the hierarchy does anyone lose out if the work is late, over priced or poor quality. Makes my blood boil.


Much better on 0 hours contracts with self-employed status, no pension, no sickness ... We might as well get the 8 year olds to sweep the chimneys of the middle classes "log burners".


I never suggested we go that far. But how come Stevie was able to work and the council blokes couldn't?


Because he got paid regardless.....me and my workmates would’ve got bugger all for sitting in the van all day.

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Simple - privatise all public services.

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steviejoiner74 wrote:
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Unionised and working on public money, at no point in the hierarchy does anyone lose out if the work is late, over priced or poor quality. Makes my blood boil.


Much better on 0 hours contracts with self-employed status, no pension, no sickness ... We might as well get the 8 year olds to sweep the chimneys of the middle classes "log burners".


I never suggested we go that far. But how come Stevie was able to work and the council blokes couldn't?


Because he got paid regardless.....me and my workmates would’ve got bugger all for sitting in the van all day.


Perhaps they thought it was too risky to go on a roof when it was snowing?


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Simple - privatise all public services.

No need to do that. Give the top people a bonus based on what they can save.
Bonus goes to a flat lower rate if the spending stays the same.
Gets less as the spending gets more.

Probably all sorts of things wrong with the idea, but I wonder what would happen.


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Unionised and working on public money, at no point in the hierarchy does anyone lose out if the work is late, over priced or poor quality. Makes my blood boil.


Much better on 0 hours contracts with self-employed status, no pension, no sickness ... We might as well get the 8 year olds to sweep the chimneys of the middle classes "log burners".


I never suggested we go that far. But how come Stevie was able to work and the council blokes couldn't?


Because he got paid regardless.....me and my workmates would’ve got bugger all for sitting in the van all day.


Perhaps they thought it was too risky to go on a roof when it was snowing?

All they were supposed to be doing was mending some fencing.

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Unionised and working on public money, at no point in the hierarchy does anyone lose out if the work is late, over priced or poor quality. Makes my blood boil.


Much better on 0 hours contracts with self-employed status, no pension, no sickness ... We might as well get the 8 year olds to sweep the chimneys of the middle classes "log burners".


I never suggested we go that far. But how come Stevie was able to work and the council blokes couldn't?


Because he got paid regardless.....me and my workmates would’ve got bugger all for sitting in the van all day.


Perhaps they thought it was too risky to go on a roof when it was snowing?

All they were supposed to be doing was mending some fencing.

Perhaps they thought it was too risky to get out of the van. . . :mrgreen:


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FFS. I'm going to have to start issuing red cards for over use of the quote button. :roll:
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Dave54 wrote:
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Simple - privatise all public services.

No need to do that. .


A third solution? Syndicalism?
https://www.ecosophia.net/systems-suck-less/
Excellent piece by Greer , as usual .
Back to the original point of this thread , having worked for a firm that subbed to carillion I found them to be the usual overblown arrogant organisation that seems so common these days and I frankly won't shed any tears to see them gone although those put out of work have my sympathy. On the plus side I'm hoping the collapse might throw a spanner in the works of HS2.


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