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FOD
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 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: Butting joints |
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Benn having problems  with butting wallpaper joints. Can anyone offer any advice please |
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bobbie-dazzler
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Hi, welcome to the forum. :grin:
Can you give a bit more info, what type of paper are using?, ie, vinyl, anaglypta, lining paper etc, and what is the actual problem.?
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FOD
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry, the problem is that i cant help leaving a gap between drops. I am using vinyl paper. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Vinyl paper tends to shrink back as its drying, read the instructions for the soaking time, if it says soak for ten mins, then do that, then hang.
There is a couple little tips for these gaps, and it is a bummer, specially when you soak for the right amount of time, and yet it still shrinks back and shows the wall underneath.
if you have already finished the papering and you dont want to take it all off, there is a couple of options, but you have to be very careful, and depending on the finish of the paper.
if for example you have like a mottled paper, no actual pattern as such, and say for example your paper is blue.
Then buy a matchpot or a small tin in either the same or similar colour blue,pour some of the paint into some sort of small container, add a tiny bit of water and mix it well.
Get either kitchen roll, or an old J cloth, and dip the cloth into the mix, then gently sponge this down the actual gaps, if the paper is mottled or like a rag roll effect and the mix goes over the actual paper, then you just sort of smooth, blend it onto the paper, so it looks part of the paper, if not, have a damp cloth handy to wipe off any excess that goes on the actual paper.
It can be done, I have done it, but you have to have the patience of a saint. 
Or you can use a coloured pencil or even crayon over these gaps, but just do it lightly to begin with, as if you do it too thick, it will show up against the paper, but you can always go over it again if its too light, just build the pencil colour up a bit at a time till you think it looks okay.
If you still have other walls to do, then get a small tin of paint like I mentioned above, (Ex blue) and where you think your paper is going to butt, then brush down with the colour, dont matter if it goes over .
Then when dry, you can hang your paper, and if the gaps do shrink and open slightly, you wont notice it as you have painted the blue down the butt joins.
Or, take the wrapping of the paper, and very carefully sponge with your colour both ends of the rolls, where its white, leave to dry then you can hang your paper, or even do the paint stripes and sponge the ends. :grin:
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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What paste are you useing? 
If an ordinary packet type, it could be that the paper is getting too wet, then on drying, it shrinks back showing the joints.
If thats the case, try useing a ready mixed paste, far less water, and little chance of the paper shrinking.  |
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Telmay
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| All the above tips are great, however your answer could be something even simpler - whats the quality of the wallpaper? i.e Laura Ashley which should be left in the shops!!!! |
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FOD
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The paper is Graham and Brown. Is it best to leave the seams for a while before rolling them, and roll them both down together.
By the way thanks for all the responses so far as I am in a right pickle at the moment |
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The paper is Graham and Brown. Is it best to leave the seams for a while before rolling them, and roll them both down together
I think here lies your problem mate, once you have struck your level line then make sure your first sheet is down including seams, then butt the next straight up and brush down straight away, buy leaving the seams you dont have an exact line to butt to. Also I would not use a seam roller just a decent brush, as a roller can often mark the paper. Also by leaving the seams unflattened or out of contact with the wall whilst your prepping the next sheet the paste will be starting to dry out. You shouldnt be having any bother with Graham and Brown is good stuff. |
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What about the wall you are putting it on?...if its silk or eggshell the paper wot have anything to bite to as it dries...and as it dries it shrinks..which can leave you with open seams.
You might want to try a ready mixed paste too.
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| Telmay wrote: |
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Also I would not use a seam roller just a decent brush, as a roller can often mark the paper. Brown is good stuff. |
I agree, as it can flatten the edges too much, so in a certain light you would see where the pattern has flattened on the butt joins, or you can see flat lines all the way down.
Use a wall hanging brush, a decent one, not one of these that you get from your local B&Q, but from a decorating shop.
Then when you brush out the butt joins, sort of tickle the the seams and try not to put too much pressure on them.
Or invest in plastic wide caulking tool, this is great for vinyl paper, and wont put too much pressure on the seams.
What you can also do is when your wiping down your paper after you hung a couple of lengths, as chances are you will get a bit of paste on the face of the paper, get a clean cloth, some warm water, dip the cloth in, have it moist, and as your wiping the paste of the face of the paper anyway, just very gently go down you joins, in a light dabbing motion.
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FOD
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Thanks for all the advice. Having had another attempt I think a lot of the problem was not taking my time. But i seem to have got the idea now.
So again many thanks |
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