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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:47 am 
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Hi Everyone
I am a newbie at car maintenance other than topping up tier pressure, oil, windscreen washer fluid and so on.
But I am going to have a go at replacing the break pads on my work car, a 2004 honda civic

I am looking at the euro car parts web site for prices and there are three brands that are of interest to me
Bosch, Pagid and Eicher

Bosch is £21.54 a front pair and £51.60 a rear pair (Total 94.68)
Pagid is £37.04 a front pair and £32.96 a rear pair (Total £70)
Eicher is £21.98 a front pair and £16.88 a rear pair (Total £38.86)

If I understand it correctly the pad is just that, a pad, no moving parts to ware out. Its just a lump of material that will ware down
over time due to friction caused by breaking,

Is there any merit in the expensive bosch brand or is the cheapest option just as good
I guess I am asking would one Bosch set significantly outlast the Eicher set where I can purchase two sets of the Eicher pads for the cost of one of the Bosch sets
with change left over.

Its probably just promoting this brand to its own end but the euro car parts web site recommends the Pagid branded pads but shows the Eicher as the best seller I assume due to the price.

New Disks will be purchased at the same time as pads their is no option to buy Bosch disks on the euro car parts web site just Pagid and Eicher
But the same question pay more and get more, or pay more and pay to much. :dunno:

Last question, taking Bosch out of the equation is it best to match pad and disk manufactures products together (Pagid disk, Pagid pads) (Eicher disks, Eicher pads)



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Have a look on ebay for mintex, ecp aren't always the cheapest around unless there is a discount code

mintex pads are a good brand and nowhere as hard as some of the others


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Unless you're an F1 driver looking for specific performance parameters you, as a driver, wouldn't notice the difference between any of them. Since they have to be made to meet a specific minimum requirement regarding quality, function etc, none of them would affect you detrimentally either so go with cost if that's your 'thing' or go with the OEM (original equipment manufacturer) and replace like-for-like.

Same applies to the disks.

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Agree with the mintex recommendation - purchased via eBay.

My wife has a 04 type R and this is what I fit for her and she has been through a few set!!


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Thanks to all that posted
I will look at mintex
Kellys_eye I agree with you
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Watch out when it comes to e-bay and the likes..there are fake brake pads out there (Chinese knock offs) that look to be genuine..but don't perform well and aren't up to standard..

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I have always got along with Pagid but based on those prices (?) I would Bosch front & Pagid back, back should last twice as long as front on most models; Mintex brand goes back a few years and originals should be good.



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never had a issue with pads off ebay - as always check the feedback of the seller, mintex should have the factory seal on the boxes too


ps. I have heard that ecp are dropping pagid due to quality issues with some kits, people are getting 4k miles out of a disc/pad set what isn't good


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I just go to a couple of the local motor factors for bits, usually get good prices, a lot less than Europarts

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The last few sets of brakes i've bought have been from Ebay. Mintex pads and discs.

Some of the really really cheap pattern parts can be junk, poor lifespan and poor fitment. I tend to stick to names i know, but dont bother buying premium brands like Bosch unless the price is virtually the same.
Brands like Valeo, Mintex, Delphi, Pagid...

Given the prices, id go with Bosch front, Eicher rear. The Fronts do the majority of the work.

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Thanks to all that posted, not bought anything yet but loads of pointers and ideas
which have given me a few things to think about
I will probably keep clear of ebay for the time being at least, until my confidence in what I am doing and buying increases.
You cant tell if something does not feel right till you have held the genuine article first, if you get my drift.

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Check the procedure for the rear pads as some calipers have to be wound back using a special tool. This is quite tricky to do and you will need to know how to do it. :thumbleft:

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Thanks DWD
I had a look at a you tube vid that detailed the removal of the rear break system on a VW model
Euro Car Parts
This needed a wind back tool, looked easy on the video but I guess it only easy when you do it for a living :lol:

My car is a honda civic 04 plate so don’t know for sure as yet if the wind back tool is needed but
there is a good chance.
You have given me a valuable tip mate,,,, :thumbright:
I found the wind back tool on Amazon
not sure of the brand, it might be ok or it could be another silverline like tool (not worth the time or effort to buy)
I will ask in the tools forum
Thanks in abundance :salute:

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You need to wind the calliper piston back in the type r therefore I assuming it is the same in the standard models however you don't necessary need the actual wind back tool. I have done this using large slotted screwdrivers but if the calliper is tiff the tool would make light work.


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Wish mine was a tool......it's a VW Passat and I need Vagcom/Rosstech software to tell it to retract the electronic brakes.

Gave up in the end and just paid someone.....the joys of toys on cars :cussing:

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