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I've inherited some water butts which I'd like to use to water the garden, but there's no pressure. Is there a pump I could use to boost the pressure, similar to shower pumps? The butt are sealed (as far as I know, it's all new to me) so ideally it'd take water from the butt outlet & pump into the hose, shutting off on pressure.


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submersible dirty water pump.

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wine~o wrote:
submersible dirty water pump.


Sorry wine~O Dirty water pump will not stop when the hose is stopped. (That's what the OP is asking)

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davej, can you post a picture of exactly what you have. never known a water butt to be sealed. (have a lid yes, but sealed) Might be an IBC? (but most have a screw on cap)

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submersible dirty water pump.


Sorry wine~O Dirty water pump will not stop when the hose is stopped. (That's what the OP is asking)



Connect the water pump to a hose with one of these on the other end.

https://www.hozelock.com/our-products/w ... lti-spray/

The pump will keep working till it's switched off but the water will stop flowing.

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FWIW the cost of buying and running a pump will greatly outweigh any savings on your water bill.


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Raise the water butt as much as possible .


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someone-else wrote:
davej, can you post a picture of exactly what you have. never known a water butt to be sealed. (have a lid yes, but sealed) Might be an IBC? (but most have a screw on cap)


Thanks for the replies & sorry for the delay.

Here's my setup:
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It doens't matter whether it's sealed or not really I can just cut a hole in the top if required.

I've been looking around & there seems to be something that on the face of it would've been perfect but it's discontinued now i.e. "RainPerfect™ Solar Powered Rain Barrel Pump System"


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You mean you believed all the sales pitch.
It only had a tiny solar (7 x 9 inch) solar panel, that makes it of no use what so ever for use over here.

But back to your set up, get a submersible sump pump, tie a string to its handle (Honestly, don't use its flex as a string) put a hose on the pump outlet and cut a hole in each lid, and lower in the pump.

It will work, but is a complete waste of time and money since the pump will cost more than you will save, and what will you do when all 3 barrels are empty?

As for stopping the pump, too complicated and expensive to rely on pressure, get a pump with a float switch.

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as a guide
around here its £2.20p for 1 tonne 1000L so water buts will virtually never save money as when you need them most they will be empty
yes if its saving the environment and making you feel good well worth it
if a 500l water barrel costs say £30 it could take over 10 years to pay for its self without any power costs

ok looks like they are nearer 200l for £30 so may take £25 years to cover costs :dunno:
or to put it another way
a 200L water but would hold 44p worth off water in my case

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I wouldn't waste my time with water butts. Saving waste water in the home is a good thing to do though and costs nothing.


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From the robotic allotment gardener
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2asQJHMr_6k
A lot of allotments don't have water


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A lot of allotments don't have water


This is true, however, daveJ said

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I've inherited some water butts which I'd like to use to water the garden,

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I wouldn't waste my time with water butts. Saving waste water in the home is a good thing to do though and costs nothing.


I have 8 butts and plan to increase that number.
Comments about costs put a conversation with a plumber to mind. I mentioned an idea to use waste bath water to flush the downstairs toilet." Waste of time "he said ," you'd only be saving a couple of pence" . I explained how the idea is to focus on saving water rather than saving money. "But it's only pennies worth off water " was his reply and try as I did I could not get him to think of it on any other terms that the costs in money.


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I wouldn't waste my time with water butts. Saving waste water in the home is a good thing to do though and costs nothing.


I have 8 butts and plan to increase that number.
Comments about costs put a conversation with a plumber to mind. I mentioned an idea to use waste bath water to flush the downstairs toilet." Waste of time "he said ," you'd only be saving a couple of pence" . I explained how the idea is to focus on saving water rather than saving money. "But it's only pennies worth off water " was his reply and try as I did I could not get him to think of it on any other terms that the costs in money.


Don't get me wrong, I am all for saving water, and money, but there are cost benefit analyses to look at it, namely the exorbitant cost of cost of buying water butts and the environmental costs of making them.
Now if you can get the water containers for free or little cost and you are recycling them from landfill, that's an excellent idea but buying new butts, piping, electric motor etc is really not going to save you any money nor create a net environmental benefit.

I have and use water butts, I didn't pay for them, they cost me nothing to run and by using them I am saving them from landfill (for a while at least) but I would never buy new.

As for saving water in realistic ways there are simple ways to do it with no environmental impact and no cost.

We save the water from washing our hands during the day, washing vegetables etc and the cold water that comes out of the tap while waiting for the boiler to get hot. This amounts to between 5-10 litres of water per day and covers about 75% of the water we use to water the garden during the growing season.
It involves almost no effort and costs no money to implement. The environmental impact is a net benefit overall.


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