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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:27 pm 
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Heya,

I'm looking to make my home a bit more energy efficient and I wanted to start off with the kitchen.

Does anyone have any tips for a good brand of energy saving washings machines or dishwashers available in the West Midlands?

Thanks in advance!

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They are all pretty much the same around the country, only difference is cost.
You could save even more by not buying a dish washer, no, not joking, since to use one properly you are supposed to remove all food debris and any ketchup, easy way to do it is........hold it under a running tap, may as well wash it by hand then.

Dishwashers are not waste disposal units to you really must remove all food debris, ketchup has a strong colour, and over time makes white parts of a DW turn pink.

If you still want one try an on line search with some one like AO

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siemens/bosch are very good in terms of reliability and energy ratings. Bit more expensive than some but worth the extra.

As for ketchup staining ... I've never had an issue with that, and I just scrape any food residue off plates.

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wine~o wrote:
and I just scrape any food residue off plates.


Get a dog, ours used to lick them spotless. :mrgreen:

And he could count, he knew how many plates there should be if someone other than just me and the wife was there. :shock:

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Most dogs only have a rrruff idea of numbers. :lol:


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Coat for Dave please. :roll:

He didn't do much woofing (or rrruffing) he just used to sort of rumble a bit, you almost felt it rather than heard it.

I often wished I could have seen the blokes face who jemmied our back door open one night, it was about three feet from the dog's bed - we know he didn't make it into the house - (it was a stable type door with plants on the ledge which hadn't been moved).

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Regarding dishwasher...........Image

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Oh, and just in case you were wondering about ketchup making the plastic in a DW coloured..............

GE Products wrote:
Red, pink or orange stains: Generally caused by a tomato-based products, such as pasta sauce. Citric acid will not have an effect on red, pink or orange stains.

This stain is not easily removed, but will fade over time.
To keep this from happening in the future, remove any excess tomato sauce from your dishes before loading them in the dishwasher.
Staining can also be minimized by running your dishwasher immediately after loading with dishes that have tomato sauce on them.


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Coat for Dave please. :roll:

He didn't do much woofing (or rrruffing) he just used to sort of rumble a bit, you almost felt it rather than heard it.

I often wished I could have seen the blokes face who jemmied our back door open one night, it was about three feet from the dog's bed - we know he didn't make it into the house - (it was a stable type door with plants on the ledge which hadn't been moved).

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:lol: Sorry i couldn't resist!
He looks great. :thumbleft:
We still miss our German Shepherd cross.


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Im not sure I would start in the kitchen....

unless youve replaced all your light bulbs, insulated loft to the hilt, removed any drafts, tweaked your thermostat etc etc.

I keep hearing how turning the thermostat down by 1 degree saves loads, but then in my house thats very shortlived by the wife turning it up by 5 degrees.

probably the only kitchen applicance that might make a difference is a fridge and or freezer since they are on 24/7



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yes definately cheap to do things first
white goods can take a long time to give payback for your outlay if at all
if you have tungsten light bulbs or down lighters thats a good place to start

as a very rough guide 1w burning for an average 10 hrs a day at 14p a kwh will cost you 50p a year
so if you replace say 3x60w bulbs with 3x7w leds the difference is[180 minus 21=]159w or £79.50p a year
its done like this to make the calculations easier so if you think 3 hrs a day is more like you normal useage then divide £79.50 by 10 and multiply by 3 to get £23.85
or 50 to get 15p---
--- you get the idea :lol:

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as a very rough guide 1w burning for an average 10 hrs a day at 14p a kwh will cost you 50p a year
so if you replace say 3x60w bulbs with 3x7w leds the difference is[180 minus 21=]159w or £79.50p a year


Whilst I do not disagree, the only "problem" is that you have to pay for the LED lamps, so your £79.50 saving figure is no longer true. :wink:

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as a very rough guide 1w burning for an average 10 hrs a day at 14p a kwh will cost you 50p a year
so if you replace say 3x60w bulbs with 3x7w leds the difference is[180 minus 21=]159w or £79.50p a year


Whilst I do not disagree, the only "problem" is that you have to pay for the LED lamps, so your £79.50 saving figure is no longer true. :wink:

if an led bulb costs say £5 and you replace three thats £15 now iff you go for a conservative 4hr a day on my above example you will save £31.80 so providing the bulbs last longer than six months your in pocket :thumbleft:
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As I said, I am not disagreeing that you will save money. What I am saying is that you will not save as much as you originally said.

You said that its possible to save £79.50 but you then have to take off the cost of the lamps (I found some at £4) so the £79.50 is now £67.50

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trying to keep it simple really :lol:
make a post with too much detail people shut off :scratch:
as replacing tungsten with led is a gteed win within the average life off the outlay by usually several times the cost its no brainer compared to some hypothetical savings given by manufacturers that will never cover the cost off the item bought within its life time :dunno:

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