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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:27 am 
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Blimey I was only gone two minutes and so many replies, cheers guys!

Yeah we've done everything so far, insulated, double glazed, changed the bulbs - this one seems a little drastic but what can you am I right?

BTW, the missus loved the dog pictures, we've got a small Staffie cross so I don't think she's going to let me get him to wash the dishes!

I actually came across this supposed Eco-Friendly dishwasher and it doesn't seem too bad. I only suggested West Midlands because that's where I'm based and I don't want to have to sell a kidney to get it delivered

I've checked out AO and I'm not really impressed, I've heard a few horror stories

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 6:15 am 
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I looked at the idea of recycling heat from tumble drier, but heat recovery units would likely block with the fluff. Also looked at cost of running dish washer, biggest cost is dish washing tablets. Because it uses less water than manual washing it is likely cheaper to run? Also I know my waste disposal unit can be connected to disk washer, but never bothered, it seems to cope with any food left on plates. Main point is the heat and chemicals used could not be used with hand washing so dishes are sterile even if not clean.

The problem is down to tray design, one item poking out bottom of tray and jets don't rotate and dishes are left not clean.

Big thing in kitchen is the hot plate, when I fitted an induction hob there was a marked fall in the kitchen temperature in summer. OK gas may be cheaper to buy, so induction may not be cheapest to run, however if you use air conditioning units then induction must be best, and even without air conditioning the induction makes kitchen cooler for the cook.

Same with lights, rest of house tungsten may actually work out cheaper to run as we want the inferred heat in the evening, but kitchen we want to keep as cool as we can.

I found using the washer/drier to dry cloths gets kitchen warmer than using stand alone tumble drier vented, as heat is put outside with vented drier.

Since with gas you need an extractor or cooker hood which vents outside, and with induction a simple carbon filter is enough, if one considers the cost of central heating in kitchen likely induction is cheapest.

But depends on where the kitchen is, mothers house window facing South, the problem is keeping kitchen cool, it is also small which does not help. However my own kitchen much larger, window facing west plus high ceiling and velex window in roof, we are more concerned in keeping kitchen warm than keeping it cool.

Until I moved back into mothers house for 18 months I had forgotten how the sun can warm up the house. My house all windows east or west, no window to South, not even a South facing wall that's next door.

The main point is what is best depends on the house, you can't compare items in isolation, it has to be as part of the whole setup. So for example with electronic TRV heads fitted so the temperature in evening can be set higher that in the day, using LED lights will save energy. However with no way to alter temperature through the day other than on/off the old tunsten light bulb likely saves energy as it means the master temperature control can be set lower.

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Fiddling with the 10% edges of energy savings is pointless - making a 15 minute error in your heat timing could undo all the potential savings the 10% 'fiddling' can accrue.
Nowadays, any form of energy saving is transient - savings you might make because of some adjustment you make will shortly be negated by increases in price by the suppliers.
There's a lot to be SAID about energy saving but there's not a lot you can DO about it.

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